Pokémon Trademarks Galore

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I thought Wavebird was bad..It's in keeping with the habit of crappy names they devise for products.

What's wrong with Wavebird?

I like it,,

Can't deny that it's a quality controller, though, even if you don't like the name

Y'know what I'm worried about most from that list? Pokémon Brown and Grey,, They sound all PS360ey and OMFGREELISTIK

Okay that was lame. I apologise sincerely.

If you don\'t want me to nicpick your posts then don\'t post. I know well what is out of bounds (as in trolling) and what is, you don\'t need to remind me.
I never said it was obvious what side you were on (read me posts). The whole light and dark concept is boring it has been totally milked by Nintendo.
You said earlier that it wasn\'t a light/dark realm kind of game, but now it is?
Make up your mind.

Believe it or not in this day and age there are some original ideas you just have to take your time and work with your ideas (and not rush in and use the first idea that comes into your head).

This is a teen/adult site also (there has been alot worse posted on the site before). My cock was no where near your ass unless you sat on it (maybe you should watch your step for your own sake, just so you don\'t walk yourself into my cock in future)

EDIT: Faust D. Stroyer (or mod) deleted his post which I was refering to above.

( Edited 20.01.2009 23:54 by Birdo Is A Tranny )

Generic ideas aren't always bad, and for something like Faust's idea, it could really revolutionise the Pokemon series for a time. I don't see what the problem is? As long as there's no evil version of the main character which is pretty much just the main character but dark grey or purple or dark blue then that alone is a step above the rest of Nintendo's franchises.

Besides, the only real light/dark presence in Nintendo is Zelda, for which it has ALWAYS been a theme. Metroid doesn't count because Retro can't tell an interesting story for shit. What other series' have done it to death? Shadow Mario only appeared for one game and was actually part of something more interesting, which was a first for main series Mario games.

A pokemon MMO would work fantastic....IF that first M meant "moderately" and not "massive".

Forget servers of a ten thousand people, its much more entertaining to just have a hundred or so players per world.

That way, the NCP's can still outnumber people. And the pokemon can still massively outnumber people.

The gameplay could thus flow from calboration, almost in a 4-swords style way.

The world is persistant, with plenty of pysdo-randomly generated and regenerating areas.

Different areas have different numbers of people/pokemon required to get past. (easy example; 10 people have to stand on a switch).

Thus you explore around, you collect and trade pokemon, but your also working collaboratively to "unlock" the world around you.

Its not supposed to be a WoW type thing (subscription...goes on forever, but fundimentaly VERY repedative with little story and no puzzles)

Instead its the sort of game you might play for a year.

(one off fee, but no new content added, however the existing content is very procedral and will take a long time to get though. However, because its not designed for infinite length and mass's of people, the story and puzzles can...well, they can exist)

I still think the best Pokemon game ever would be one with 2-8 Player "CoOp", just always connected to the net, and seeing your friends randomly as you explore a route, or maybe travel together for a while. It just seems like the perfect depiction of Pokemon.

So you would need one tenth of the whole server population to complete a puzzle. Fail.
These things never work, the amount of effort it takes to form a group to do quest in some MMO\'s (A 5 man group in a server with 100\'s of peole) is ridiculous.



No matter how many people are in the server the pokemon population could be easily adjusted so that
there is more than enough pokemon.



AHHH!!!!! I\'m getting flashes of mystery dungeon :-x.
If this was to happen (well) we would have to pay subscription.



So I would HAVE to get a group of people to even progress in the game. No thanks.

If I can\'t get an MMO then this will do:

( Edited 20.01.2009 14:26 by Birdo Is A Tranny )

All I want is a Pokemon DS game with wifi co-op play. You and your friend going from town to town together catching pokemon, shopping, doing missions and battling.

I don't care much for what the titles called

Next time I'm capitalise the word EXAMPLE.
Obviously things will have to be tuned for the average-number on at one time.

But that said, organising 10 people to unlock something at one time would be an "event", and far from game breaking, it would actualy help the community spirit.
Obviously, you wouldnt have many of these, but they arnt out the question either.




You really dont seem to be grasping the idea here.
Its not a normal MMO with less people, its a multiplayer online game with more people.

This is pokemon, its about exploring, collecting and solving puzzles.
It isnt about generic quests, and defeating things that mysteriously respawn the second your group works out.
Think less of WoW and more like Four Swords, only with a persistant world and more people.

I dont picture people "forming a guild" or anything like that. Just people getting together if they are online at the same time.
Occasionaly, you might be exploring and find something important you need a few more people for.
So, you put on a general advert on a town notice board.
Or use your in-game phone...or whatever.



You dont seem to understand the problem here.
I'll quote the incredibles;

"If everyone is special, then no one is"

In a sever of 100 you can be significant. You can ALL effect the story, you can ALL play a part in the game.

If everyone in the game is a elite pokemon trainer, it makes -you- less special. Nothing you do can effect the game world perminaitely.

Thats why NCPs and Pokemon should out number the players.
It makes a better game world, and it lets each person potentialy be significant to the rest.



No you wouldnt, all assets are generated up front as part of the cost of game production.
Pysdo-randomly generated dungoens dont cost any more to generate.

The question is more can the randomly made dungoens be;
a) Decent layout. (easier said then done)
b) Ensure that all players on the sever expirence the same layout at the same time. (purhapes base it on the date?).

Theres certainly problems to be tackled, but its all very possible.
Procedral generation can do very impressive things, but it is a rather unresearched are of game design.



Well, if you want to play on your own, you might as well just play a single player game -_-

That said, your wrong anyway.
If the world is persistant, then other people exploring will be unlocking things anyway.
(And, for sure, the majority of game stuff would be able to be done with a single person, merely easier with more).

The whole point of having a smaller sever is you can effect the world more like 1 player game, everything people does is reflected in everyone elses game.
The gameworld could change quite drasticaly over the course of the sever and theres nothing that says you cant play on your own, merely in a world effected by others.
Balance the world right, you could have people making their own little games in it anyway. Simply giving people the ability to, say, pin notes onto trees or game objects, you could make treasure-trails for other players. Theres lots of potential possibilitys with a persistant world and a small group of players.

Allthough, frankly, if your deliberately avoding co-operation, your missing the fun.




Why do you want an MMO at all then?

MMO would remove all trace of story, and all traces of puzzles.
It would be just you wondering around collecting
pokemon and fighting people...forever.
Given that pokemon is turn-based fighting, you might as well just combine a 3D chatroom with 1on1 pokemon fighting. Because thats more or less what you will get if you try to combine WoW with Pokemon.

MMO's get so obbessed with numbers they miss the fact their gameplay is fundimentaly very repedative, and, well, pretty darn boring.

The entertainment comes from the people, the social aspects.

In summery;

The less players on the sever, the more effort the games developers can spend on each players experience.

(thus, better puzzles, storytelling, and interactivity are possible)

I\'m getting a clearer picute of what you want but I\'m very very skeptical. To have events like these you would need more people in the server, alot of people don\'t play MMO\'s all day (beyond popular belief)and have jobs, school etc so getting people to complete the event would be an event in itself lol. I\'m thinking more seasonal events so as to unlock extra\'s and events to progress forward in the game.



Or guild chat



(a) That\'s what I was getting at with mystery dungeon.
(b) \"OMG I missed this week\'s/month\'s dungeon layout\"
*cue nerd rage* (but I reall like the idea)

This is my biggest problem:



GREAT idea. Now let\'s talk money!
Nintendo\'s is going to host these servers.
OK 100 people in each server.
Now basing on the last main pokemon game sales (Diamond and Pearl) that\'s almost 17.5 million

17500000/100

Thats 175000 servers....

PLUS the fact that all servers have the ability to be totally altered by ALL the players.

PLUS player will need the ability to move to another server it it lacks the player (as it will with a 100 max)

PLUS there will have to be GM\'s monitoring the server.

LOL

Not in this lifetime.



Not all MMO\'s are as repedative as WoW, it\'s your opinion if they are boring.

What your thinking of my idea is that I want Pokemon Wow, which I don\'t. \"MMO OMG WOW \"
Think of the possibilities of a MMO Pokemon....



I don\'t like to be forced into a group:

e.g. I want to progress but the people who are online are newbs (extremely possible with a 100 people max server the whole server could be newbs).

Solution?

( Edited 20.01.2009 18:21 by Birdo Is A Tranny )

2-8 Player CoOp still sounds better to me. I see it like the anime in that way, your character is the main character and every now and then someone travels with you and then leaves you, but they're not necessary, it's just fun.

So my point is it'd be like the anime except totally and completely awesome.

And if we're talking MMO and server pricing, let's not forget that a Pokémon MMO will absolutely not even have Pokémon's target audience, lowering Nintendo's "funds" by an incredibly considerable amount.

Even though arguably Pokémon has the biggest hardcore fanbase in gaming history, but I still don't think it'd be enough.

I agree SL it\'s not the perfect market match but we will never know until/if it happens how it will work out.

Money wise: Well now is definately NOT the time and it would take time to see some profit but at the end of the day, if it was a hit Nintendo would make money.

( Edited 20.01.2009 18:31 by Birdo Is A Tranny )

Even if there is never a co-op pkmn game, what I'd like to see is something like the anime where npcs/friends join ya.

Something like "Misty joined the party". It would allow for a more flexible story line as they'd have their own input and would really add some much needed life into the mute main character.

lol

Lololol all of you who said Black/White/Gray weren't possible.