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DisAfecT on 18.06.2010 at 21:25#26

I like this idea, but how are they going to control the "buy it, install it, return it." issue? Hopefully not by forcing some sort of registration, or serial # mess.

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MightyHorace on 18.06.2010 at 21:46#27

Copy feature will be for 3DS titles only. It will work by a pairing system that limits the amount of games to be stored on the unit to a currently suggested 3 games only.

Once the title has been copied (paired with the console) the cartridge will become locked and will no longer work until paired and restored and game data copied over to the cartridge.

Game stores are on system storage not on the SD Card drive.

3DSware will be downloadable to both SD and internal memory like the Wii.

Game transfers are taking around 10 minutes to complete and is a function of the developer to allow if interest is generated then will be pursued.

The importance is that the response of the unit isn't compromised from the persistent online mode which will consume the dedicated storage space and provide the swap data for the games.

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SuperLink on 18.06.2010 at 22:39#28

@ MightyHorace:
Assuming you're telling the truth, and I'm not saying you aren't or you are, how much shit are you in if someone founds out you wrote all that? Smilie

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Keven on 19.06.2010 at 01:58#29

Maybe Nintendo could set up something along the lines of Steam (which I think was alluded to earlier in the comments). You buy the games, they go to your "account" only, and even if your system breaks, you're account is still there, so you still have all your games. That's one logical solution, but there can be many.

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'tendo on 19.06.2010 at 05:58#30

i don't see anything wrong with playing multiple games at short spurts...i mean, you own it, so play at your own pace right?

i've played like 3 DS games at spurts of like 10 - 15 mins each.

Brain Age 2, Rhythm Heaven and Retro Challenege.

Martin_ on 19.06.2010 at 08:34#31

No doubt a huge feature if true, although just how much memory the 3DS has to support this idea is in question, although ever-reliable SD Card support is definitely there.

Doesn't the game basically come on an SD card? What would be the point of transferring it to another one? Oh, and SD cards do fail, yo! I'm sure the ROM ones the games actually come on are totally solid, but the RW ones that consumers use to back stuff up do magically erase themselves and start to become dodgy after enough writes and re-writes.

SD card usage aside, the installation thing is a good idea for a handheld. For the very few who actually use their portable games machines whilst out and about (rather than sat in their bedroom with their DS plugged into the wall), an installation so that they don't have to carry so much stuff around is great.

As for size, memory is cheap these days, and Nintendo like to overcharge their customers. 3DS will be at least �£200, I'm sure it's not an issue for Nintendo to include 8GB internal memory designated for installs. That's four games right now, given that the current max for 3DS cards is 2GB.

Steam (as others have mentioned) would be one model of getting around the piracy thing. I've no idea how practical this is, but perhaps some form of hardlocking whereby one card is good for one installation at a time, only. If the user wishes to install to another system, they must first put the card into the system it was originally installed upon, and uninstall with the game inserted.

Game then knows somehow that the installation that was used has now been uninstalled, leaving the game back at square one, where it can be installed to another system. This is probably a bit truncated, and doesn't account for what would happen in the case of console damage/loss/theft.

One solution for broken consoles is that the installed games be sent to Nintendo with the console, and they unlock your games in the event that they need to give you a new 3DS, or the one you had went through such significant work that it rendered the installs useless.

Or, they could just include it with the hardlocking Graeme was talking about, and to hell with anyone who loses their 3DS or breaks it.

Or, this rumour is false.

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[quote]No doubt a huge feature if true, although just how much memory the 3DS has to support this idea is in question, although ever-reliable SD Card support is definitely there.[/quote]

Doesn't the game basically come on an SD card? What would be the point of transferring it to another one? Oh, and SD cards [i]do[/i] fail, yo! I'm sure the ROM ones the games actually come on are totally solid, but the RW ones that consumers use to back stuff up do magically erase themselves and start to become dodgy after enough writes and re-writes.

SD card usage aside, the installation thing is a good idea for a handheld. For the very few who actually use their portable games machines whilst out and about (rather than sat in their bedroom with their DS plugged into the wall), an installation so that they don't have to carry so much stuff around is great.

As for size, memory is cheap these days, and Nintendo like to overcharge their customers. 3DS will be at least �£200, I'm sure it's not an issue for Nintendo to include 8GB internal memory designated for installs. That's four games right now, given that the current max for 3DS cards is 2GB.

Steam (as others have mentioned) would be one model of getting around the piracy thing. I've no idea how practical this is, but perhaps some form of hardlocking whereby one card is good for one installation at a time, only. If the user wishes to install to another system, they must first put the card into the system it was originally installed upon, and uninstall with the game inserted.

Game then knows somehow that the installation that was used has now been uninstalled, leaving the game back at square one, where it can be installed to another system. This is probably a bit truncated, and doesn't account for what would happen in the case of console damage/loss/theft.

One solution for broken consoles is that the installed games be sent to Nintendo with the console, and they unlock your games in the event that they need to give you a new 3DS, or the one you had went through such significant work that it rendered the installs useless.

Or, they could just include it with the hardlocking Graeme was talking about, and to hell with anyone who loses their 3DS or breaks it.

Or, this rumour is false.

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SuperLink on 19.06.2010 at 16:13#32

Martin_ said:
*pricing stuff*

I know Nintendo overcharged for the Wii, but they were only able to get away with it because it was so affordable compared to their opposition. This is actually their primary goal, to be affordable and seem like the cheapest option so those casuals will flock towards them.

As a result, Nintendo aren't going to launch the 3DS at a higher price than the PSP's starting point, or the Wii's starting point. I personally doubt it will be as high as �£180, even if it ends up as �£170.

I'm starting to think that Nintendo announced the 3DS early in order to give Sony time to show their hand. If Nintendo knew the price of the PSP2 that would give them a strategic advantage on pricing. This could also be why they didn't reveal the price at E3, they were holding back in the offchance that Sony revealed the PSP2.

As for the PSP2, Sony's had plenty financial difficulty on the console side over the last gen, so I wouldn't be surprised if the PSP2 took a similar route to Nintendo's. Not powerful as hell, family gaming with a lovely selection of hardcore titles too, just so the console can be affordable and actually get Sony some profit for once.

Anyway I digress. Basically I think the 3DS will be <�£180.

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Martin_ on 19.06.2010 at 17:04#33

SuperLink said:
As a result, Nintendo aren't going to launch the 3DS at a higher price than the PSP's starting point, or the Wii's starting point. I personally doubt it will be as high as ��£180, even if it ends up as ��£170.

So it will be �£10 less than the Wii. Thank you, Nintendo, you are so kind!

SuperLink said:
I'm starting to think that Nintendo announced the 3DS early in order to give Sony time to show their hand. If Nintendo knew the price of the PSP2 that would give them a strategic advantage on pricing. This could also be why they didn't reveal the price at E3, they were holding back in the offchance that Sony revealed the PSP2.

I read somewhere that Nintendo revealed the 3DS in order to get the jump on believed-to-be-imminent leaks. So they got in there first, so as not to have their announce thunder stolen. Which is fair - it's their machine!

SuperLink said:
As for the PSP2, Sony's had plenty financial difficulty on the console side over the last gen, so I wouldn't be surprised if the PSP2 took a similar route to Nintendo's. Not powerful as hell, family gaming with a lovely selection of hardcore titles too, just so the console can be affordable and actually get Sony some profit for once.

Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Just because Nintendo makes big bucks ejaculating up the anuses of teh cazualz, Sony might not have the same magic touch with said crowd. Nintendo is dominating massively in those anuses, and Sony will really have to get the KY out in order to squeeze in with The Big N. Said Big N have a monopoly on that great big dirty whole ~~market~~.

Besides, Sony already tried taking a bite out of the hardcore handheld gaming pie owned by Nintendo, and have more or less been savaged viciously by Miyamoto & Co, ~~possibly~~ ~~probably~~ definitely involving Sony's corporate anus. My sources have been unable to verify whether the ordeal Sony faced at the 'hands' of Nintendo was of a brutal gang seeing-to, or whether it resulted in mass excursions from the top-floor window of SCEJ.

SuperLink said:
Anyway I digress. Basically I think the 3DS will be <��£180.

So the same price as the Wii? Where's my tenner gone? Smilie

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[quote][b]SuperLink said:[/b]<br/>As a result, Nintendo aren't going to launch the 3DS at a higher price than the PSP's starting point, or the Wii's starting point. I personally doubt it will be as high as ��£180, even if it ends up as ��£170.[/quote]

So it will be �£10 less than the Wii. Thank you, Nintendo, you are so kind!

[quote][b]SuperLink said:[/b]<br/>I'm starting to think that Nintendo announced the 3DS early in order to give Sony time to show their hand. If Nintendo knew the price of the PSP2 that would give them a strategic advantage on pricing. This could also be why they didn't reveal the price at E3, they were holding back in the offchance that Sony revealed the PSP2.[/quote]

I read somewhere that Nintendo revealed the 3DS in order to get the jump on believed-to-be-imminent leaks. So they got in there first, so as not to have their announce thunder stolen. Which is fair - it's their machine!

[quote][b]SuperLink said:[/b]<br/>As for the PSP2, Sony's had plenty financial difficulty on the console side over the last gen, so I wouldn't be surprised if the PSP2 took a similar route to Nintendo's. Not powerful as hell, family gaming with a lovely selection of hardcore titles too, just so the console can be affordable and actually get Sony some profit for once.[/quote]

Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Just because Nintendo makes big bucks ejaculating up the anuses of teh cazualz, Sony might not have the same magic touch with said crowd. Nintendo is dominating massively in those anuses, and Sony will really have to get the KY out in order to squeeze in with The Big N. Said Big N have a monopoly on that great big dirty <s>w</s>hole <s>market</s>.

Besides, Sony already tried taking a bite out of the hardcore handheld gaming pie owned by Nintendo, and have more or less been savaged viciously by Miyamoto & Co, <s>possibly</s> <s>probably</s> definitely involving Sony's corporate anus. My sources have been unable to verify whether the ordeal Sony faced at the 'hands' of Nintendo was of a brutal gang seeing-to, or whether it resulted in mass excursions from the top-floor window of SCEJ.

[quote][b]SuperLink said:[/b]<br/>Anyway I digress. Basically I think the 3DS will be <��£180.[/quote]

So the same price as the Wii? Where's my tenner gone? :D

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Marzy on 19.06.2010 at 17:16#34

I reckon it'll be �£150.

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SuperLink on 19.06.2010 at 17:19#35

Martin_ said:
So it will be �£10 less than the Wii. Thank you, Nintendo, you are so kind!
So the same price as the Wii? Where's my tenner gone?

I said <�£180, I'm sure it will be lower than the Wii and PSP, and no I don't mean �£179.99, hurr.
As far as handheld technology on 3DS' level goes, that sounds pretty damn reasonable to me, especially compared with the iPod line and the Wii.

Besides, Sony already tried taking a bite out of the hardcore handheld gaming pie owned by Nintendo, and have more or less been savaged viciously by Miyamoto & Co

The PSP has done brilliantly in the face of a Nintendo handheld, and until recently it was more successful than the Wii. It's not every day a company comes in with a new portable that can sell over 50million units.

EDIT: Worth noting, since the 3DS announcement, DSi prices have been lowered considerably, and it wouldn't surprise me if Nintendo revealed an official RRP drop.
The DSi dropping is one possible indication that Nintendo are aiming for ~�£150-160 for the 3DS.

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