News: Pachter: 3DS to be topped by 3D iPod Page 1

~~Vorash Kadan 07.12.2010~~#1

What a cocky bastard... :-x I love how he overestimates the Apple "Gaming device" so surely. Everygamer knows that nothing beats buttons when it comes to control. And anyway if Apple needs to copy Nintendo...well that just means Nintendo's already working on something better once Apple finally thinks of something similar hah!! Smilie

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AdamC3 (guest) 07.12.2010#2

I tried playing Street Fighter on my iPhone the other day and gave up after 10 minutes. I really hate the on-screen button setup...

Also, note how he hedges his bets by saying Nintendo could still hold Apple at bay. Genius! This may happen...or maybe this!

Trepe 07.12.2010#3

I sometimes watch Pach Attack & personally think he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about most of the time, or he states the obvious. It's pretty obvious that, at some point 3DS will be copied, especially if it's a huge success, which it's likely to be. To say PSP2 will be a failure is a joke when nobody knows anything about it.

SirLink 07.12.2010#4

Honestly, this guy is an idiot. He's the guy who claimed that there would be a Wii HD by the end of 2010. Yeah, that totally happened.

I'd like to know what's with all those people seeing Apple as direct competition for Nintendo's handhelds. Their products don't even have buttons or anything a handheld console needs!

Until Apple comes up with a fully fletched GAMING handheld, nobody should take people who see Apple as direct competition for Nintendo's handhelds seriously. And even then, if Apple would have such a handheld, they would still need heavy support from developers. Nintendo, on the other hand, is in an excellent position here. They will always do well at least because of their first-party games but this time they have the support of TONS of developers and that from the very beginning. Yeah, try to beat that, Apple. Smilie

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Echoes221 07.12.2010#5

@ Michael Patcher, in the words of every other forum; "Sources or GTFO"

StuC3 (guest) 07.12.2010#6

Pachter's a troll and I never take anything he says seriously, especially when it comes to Nintendo. But the iPod can get some of the market, if it was made and advertised that way

Also, wouldn't a 3D iPod need buttons on the gaming side of things since fingers can easily get in the way of screens?

SirLink said:
Honestly, this guy is an idiot. He's the guy who claimed that there would be a Wii HD by the end of 2010. Yeah, that totally happened.

He's been saying that ever since the end of 2007, he wouldn't know a good business model if it hit him in the face.

It's GameTrailers fault for making him too big for his boots.

Jermaine (guest) 07.12.2010#7

Iphone sucks for games, full games, and it would only get better with some sort of lock on controller.

Marzeee 07.12.2010#8

I watch his show and enjoy them.

Some people take things way to seriously. He predicts the future, it's not like he's going to get that right. He's just giving his opinion on what he thinks will happen, that is all.

( Edited 07.12.2010 13:22 by Marzy )

EvonM 07.12.2010#9

Wii HD, Activision cgarging for online in CoD Black Ops, Epick Micky coming to the PS3 "for sure" and that it should have been built up to the PS3 from the beginning and now this. I'm starting to feel sorry for this guy.

I mean Epic Micky sure can end on the PS3 in some way, but it's 100 per cent either.

And how am I supposed to play 3d games on the 3d iPod with no buttons?

ebgeer 07.12.2010#10

patcher always mentions how the ipad/ipod/itouch is going to take over gaming---but he never seems to tread on that worthy area called intelectual property---IP--ie Mario/DK/Metroid/Zelda/etc. With these--Ninty will always be successful.

As for the PSP/PSP2--i think it still holds a different niche than anything the iGiszmos have to offer--and PSP--is still doing well--especially because of MHP3 has sold over 2 million units since dec 1 just in japan...not too shabby.

Lynk 07.12.2010#11

Erm... how will 3D work with your fingers in front of the screen? Surely there is room for 3DS and iPod (with its shallow, cheap and cheerful games) in the market. The PSP can jog on, I really don't care, but I think 3DS and iPod can co-exist.

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WP-Final 07.12.2010#12

Apple could release the iPod designed as a turd and it would still sell millions.

As a gaming device though, Apple still have far to go before there's anything that can match the depth and quality of a AAA DS game.

Michael Pachter just makes stuff up or states the obvious.

sporkhead (guest) 07.12.2010#13

I think some of you are missing the point here.

Sure, I agree the 3D iPod prediction might be a bit off, though it'll likely happen in the future, but you're seriously underestimating the threat Apple poses to Nintendo.

You're all mentioning core titles on the iPhone, and yes, while Street Fighter IV isn't going to play as well without buttons, far from it, it's the games and software that appeal to the wider audience that post a threat. Remember, Iwata said Apple is Nintendo's enemy of the future.

The point is I can see most casual gamers being happy playing games (good games, I might add) like Cut the Rope HD, Angry Birds, Bit.Trip Beat, Infinity Blade, Puzzle Quest 2, Telltale's adventure games and the like for 59p to �£6-ish each and be perfectly happy with that.

Don't forget the original DS was so successful because it had games that appeal to everyone, making it truly mainstream. The PSP hasn't had that success because of the obvious reasons (UMD slow loading times, poor battery life, dodgy controls, software library only now appealing to the Japanse audience).

The point is, Apple may very well eat into Nintendo's share of the expanded audience market if Nintendo and third parties don't start making games to reel them in. I imagine if 3DSWare is done right it'll rival the App Store too, which should help Nintendo a fair bit with those used to buying games for �£1.19 on the iDevices. Of course the 3DS does already have a few features to get that expanded audience onboard: 3D movies, augmented reality, 3D photos and the like. But we shouldn't underestimate the threat Apple are to the 3DS. They are getting people who don't usually play games playing games, just like Nintendo are. Of course they are doing it through WiiWare-style titles which also have a low price level instead of the �£30 for a DS game.

The unfortunate thing is whether the average person values the length and depth of a DS/3DS game to buy them over an App Store game on their iDevice. Of course this still holds true today with games like Layton doing exceptionally well but who knows what it'll be like when a new platform launches, where people will have to spend money buying the console first before the games.

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I think some of you are missing the point here.

Sure, I agree the 3D iPod prediction might be a bit off, though it'll likely happen in the future, but you're seriously underestimating the threat Apple poses to Nintendo.

You're all mentioning core titles on the iPhone, and yes, while Street Fighter IV isn't going to play as well without buttons, far from it, it's the games and software that appeal to the wider audience that post a threat. Remember, Iwata said Apple is Nintendo's enemy of the future.

The point is I can see most casual gamers being happy playing games (good games, I might add) like Cut the Rope HD, Angry Birds, Bit.Trip Beat, Infinity Blade, Puzzle Quest 2, Telltale's adventure games and the like for 59p to �£6-ish each and be perfectly happy with that.

Don't forget the original DS was so successful because it had games that appeal to everyone, making it truly mainstream. The PSP hasn't had that success because of the obvious reasons (UMD slow loading times, poor battery life, dodgy controls, software library only now appealing to the Japanse audience).

The point is, Apple may very well eat into Nintendo's share of the expanded audience market if Nintendo and third parties don't start making games to reel them in. I imagine if 3DSWare is done right it'll rival the App Store too, which should help Nintendo a fair bit with those used to buying games for �£1.19 on the iDevices. Of course the 3DS does already have a few features to get that expanded audience onboard: 3D movies, augmented reality, 3D photos and the like. But we shouldn't underestimate the threat Apple are to the 3DS. They are getting people who don't usually play games playing games, just like Nintendo are. Of course they are doing it through WiiWare-style titles which also have a low price level instead of the �£30 for a DS game.

The unfortunate thing is whether the average person values the length and depth of a DS/3DS game to buy them over an App Store game on their iDevice. Of course this still holds true today with games like Layton doing exceptionally well but who knows what it'll be like when a new platform launches, where people will have to spend money buying the console first before the games.

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SirLink 07.12.2010#14

Marzy said:
I watch his show and enjoy them.
Some people take things way to seriously. He predicts the future, it's not like he's going to get that right. He's just giving his opinion on what he thinks will happen, that is all.

The problem is that he is predicting things without any real evidence to back them up and that's what analysts are supposed to do, aren't they?

Here, he's saying that an inevitable 3D Ipod would top the 3DS while conveniently ignoring the fact that they are catering to completely different markets. Who in his right mind would buy an Ipod/Iphone/Ipad to play proper portable games? If people are looking for that, they buy a DS or a PSP. And like I said in a previous post, even if Apple comes up with an actual gaming handheld, it would still need one important thing..the games.

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Marzeee 07.12.2010#15

Okay, if that's what they do, then that's what they do.

I will continue to watch his show though and most likely enjoy it. I find the idea of predicting stuff to be fun.

It's really not the end of the world to me if Michael Pachter gets some predictions wrong, I just don't care about something so trivial.

( Edited 07.12.2010 17:06 by Marzy )

PK Mongoose 07.12.2010#16

Is this guy a real analyst? I thought he was just some crazy fellow who says stuff for publicity like Glenn Beck and Ann Coulter.

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Darkflame 07.12.2010#17

PK Mongoose said:
Is this guy a real analyst? I thought he was just some crazy fellow who says stuff for publicity like Glenn Beck and Ann Coulter.

My thought too, only not quite as dangerious as Beck.

Predicting is fun. But without hard evidence, statistics and multiple sources, it shouldn't be relied upon or remotely taken seriously.
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My own mostly instinct based thinking is that Nintendo will be copied, but the markets are just too different at the moment.
The "$1"ish download market isn't going to turn into a $15-30 one within the next few years, and the lowest price market will vanish as flash and javascript supporting phones start running at decent speeds.

Allthough Nintendo will have to do better at the "cheap and chearfull" game distribution end themselves.

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EdEN 07.12.2010#18

Ah Patcher, you have been oh so wrong before (and an as*hole as well) and you will be again. The DS is a gaming machine that does other things. The 3DS is a gaming machine that will also do other things. A 3D iPod is something that would NEVER replace a proper gaming system. It is very clear right now since the iPad/iPod/iPhone isn't "eating at the DS sales". It just happens that the DS was released a while back and the time has come for a new portable to enter the arena.

EdEN 07.12.2010#19

Also, let's not forget how much he whines and cries when his "predictions" don't come true: Wii HD did come out, it just happens to have a Sony brand with it. Move is the Wii HD!

Wolvesgod 07.12.2010#20

Well here's my prediction... -_-

There will be thousands of damaged 3D Ipod's by the end of the year it's released.

Why, because there's nothing protecting the 3D screen, the 3DS is atleast a clam shell design, but what's protecting the 3D screen on the Ipod, if you put a plastic wraper on it, it will look like crap and distortion.

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Lynk 07.12.2010#21

I actually think Nintendo will pursue the hardcore crowd first and foremost with the DS, and then with an install base to support them, go after the iPod with their own download service. It must be quite frightening going up against Apple though. Anything they touch these days turns to pure gold (who thought the iPad would have been as successful as it has?).

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Darkflame 07.12.2010#22

Lynk said:
I actually think Nintendo will pursue the hardcore crowd first and foremost with the DS, and then with an install base to support them, go after the iPod with their own download service. It must be quite frightening going up against Apple though. Anything they touch these days turns to pure gold (who thought the iPad would have been as successful as it has?).

ish.
Remember Apple is very successfull, but their hype is also always much bigger. iPhone's are still a relatively small minority of phones, and iPads will become a fairly small minority of (that form of) tablet PC.
Its really more Android or even Windows based phone-app distros that will become more dominate in terms of apps/games sold. Either that, or Apple will open the iOS platform for other devices....which is highly unlikely.

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crackedthesky 07.12.2010#23

I really don't think Nintendo considers Apple a competitor. That would be like marketing a cd player against a personal computer. They aren't the same thing, they aren't after the same demographic. People aren't going to be forced to buy an iPod OR a 3DS, where they might have to choose Wii OR Xbox or iPod OR Zune. Not only is this guy's "prediction" just basic knowledge, but his comparison is stupid.

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gatotsu911 08.12.2010#24

In all seriousness, why is anything Michael Pachter says even considered newsworthy? We get it. The guy's full of shit. This is not a new thing.

PK Mongoose 08.12.2010#25

As far as I know, the only appeal of a 3D iPod is 3D apps and a 3D menu. And if you can already get most of the popular apps and functionalities on an iTouch/iPhone (about the same thing, IMO), there's really no need to get an i3D unless it has 3D holograms you put your hand in or something. Either that, or the 3D apps have to be pure money.

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