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Sonic_13 03.06.2011#1

I got really excited when I read the front page summary that said "a mid-2011 release could be on the cards" only to find out that you actually meant mid-2012.

Sonic_13 03.06.2011#2

If true, the controller sounds like it could be pricey. I kinda don't believe the camera rumor as, unlike a touch screen, I don't see it having being all that useful in controlling games.

I also think it is strange to hear that it can be used as a portable gaming machine (if true) as I would think it would cut into 3DS sales.

( Edited 04.06.2011 04:34 by Sonic_13 )

BASEDmamoon 03.06.2011#3

I totally agree about the portable controller aspect maybe causing 3DS sales to decrease or increase because either way people will either forget the new nintendo home console and just buy 3DS or Vice-versa. The tablet shape and portable aspect makes me think that the new console will not have such a convincing line-up of games that will utilize the new ideas very thoroughly as it should to promote the new invention. I AM STILL VERY VERY VERY SKEPTICAL

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Stulaw 04.06.2011#4

Sounds to me they just took what IGN and co made up a couple of months ago and just stuck it in their newspapers.

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jb 04.06.2011#5

It's increasingly likely that there'll be a touch screen controller of some sorts - but who knows, Nintendo may completely surprise with something totally different. Just wonder how anyone would afford the controllers with a screen and possible camera?!

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welshwuff 04.06.2011#6

The controllers really do sound like they may as well just be using DSs or something...

Darkflame 04.06.2011#7

I'll give this a miss by the sounds of it. (if its true)
I dont see the value of a screen on a controller - the only advantage possible is specific multiplayer games like FourSwords....but then thats what a DS/3DS is for!

In other case's playing on a tablet or such will just be less ergonomical then smaller,cheaper split controllers.

And if the controler is detachable and self-powered that sounds like just kicking 3DS owners in the teath.

The only way I think Id like this if it was basicly still a wiimote/nunchuck design, but the face of the wiimote was a haptic touchscreen.
(still not sure that would be better then another anologue stick though)

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Sonic_13 04.06.2011#8

Darkflame said:
I'll give this a miss by the sounds of it. (if its true)
I dont see the value of a screen on a controller - the only advantage possible is specific multiplayer games like FourSwords....but then thats what a DS/3DS is for!

Sports games would definitely benefit by being able to secretly select plays without your opponent seeing. Any game with many items (Zelda, FPS, or Resident Evil games for example) would benefit by being able to switch items on the fly without significant pauses and delays in action. We'll also see more original ideas for it's use, especially from Nintendo.

Darkflame said:

In other case's playing on a tablet or such will just be less ergonomical then smaller,cheaper split controllers.

While obviously no one knows for sure, it is expected to be more like a GameCube controller with a touch screen in the middle.

Darkflame 04.06.2011#9

Sonic_13 said:
Darkflame said:
I'll give this a miss by the sounds of it. (if its true)
I dont see the value of a screen on a controller - the only advantage possible is specific multiplayer games like FourSwords....but then thats what a DS/3DS is for!
Sports games would definitely benefit by being able to secretly select plays without your opponent seeing.

Well, yes, any game where "secret information" needs to be passed to one player is basicly the only function this would give.
The downside is that said sports game would have less flexible controls. You could have a stratergy style sports game this way, but I cant see an actiony or fast paced one working better with this then a wiimote/nunchuck controller - losing the pointer functionality will be a big loss. (or, alternatively, trying to use a pointer on a controller not well shaped for it)

Any game with many items (Zelda, FPS, or Resident Evil games for example) would benefit by being able to switch items on the fly without significant pauses and delays in action.

Not really, as your likely losing buttons that could act as shortcuts for those same said items.
Purhapes navigating a larger inventory would be marginaly quicker, but youd have to pause the same anyway for that - looking down and selecting isnt that much better then hitting a button and selecting on screen.

Darkflame said:

In other case's playing on a tablet or such will just be less ergonomical then smaller,cheaper split controllers.

While obviously no one knows for sure, it is expected to be more like a GameCube controller with a touch screen in the middle.

As I said, bigger, more expensive, less ergonomical.
Heavier too likely (but thats not so bad).

The split controller design was a massive step forward for comfort, now we go back to having our hands fixed in the same position all the time. Potentialy worse, when we do use the touchscreen one hand will have to support both sides. Even using a 3DS held with one side isnt that comfortable unless its on a table.

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[quote][b]Sonic_13 said:[/b]<br/>[quote][b]Darkflame said:[/b]<br/>I'll give this a miss by the sounds of it. (if its true)
I dont see the value of a screen on a controller - the only advantage possible is specific multiplayer games like FourSwords....but then thats what a DS/3DS is for!
[/quote]Sports games would definitely benefit by being able to secretly select plays without your opponent seeing. [/quote]

Well, yes, any game where "secret information" needs to be passed to one player is basicly the only function this would give.
The downside is that said sports game would have less flexible controls. You could have a stratergy style sports game this way, but I cant see an actiony or fast paced one working better with this then a wiimote/nunchuck controller - losing the pointer functionality will be a big loss. (or, alternatively, trying to use a pointer on a controller not well shaped for it)

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Any game with many items (Zelda, FPS, or Resident Evil games for example) would benefit by being able to switch items on the fly without significant pauses and delays in action.[/quote]

Not really, as your likely losing buttons that could act as shortcuts for those same said items.
Purhapes navigating a larger inventory would be marginaly quicker, but youd have to pause the same anyway for that - looking down and selecting isnt that much better then hitting a button and selecting on screen.

[quote][b]Darkflame said:[/b]<br/>
In other case's playing on a tablet or such will just be less ergonomical then smaller,cheaper split controllers.[/quote]While obviously no one knows for sure, it is expected to be more like a GameCube controller with a touch screen in the middle.[/quote]

As I said, bigger, more expensive, less ergonomical.
Heavier too likely (but thats not so bad).

The split controller design was a massive step forward for comfort, now we go back to having our hands fixed in the same position all the time. Potentialy worse, when we do use the touchscreen one hand will have to support both sides. Even using a 3DS held with one side isnt that comfortable unless its on a table.

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Mason 04.06.2011#10

Who's to say that this isn't still a split controller design, with Nunchuk / Remote-like parts that detach from the sides of the tablet?

meeto_0 04.06.2011#11

They didnt do much with the wii remote. Seems a shame to consign it as the secondary controller. The wii remote could only start to explore the idea of motion controls once motion plus tech was avaialble. As an add on it was totally ignored.

The lack of powerful hardware meant traditional games didnt get paired with the pointer controls.

The wii remote has been wasted and will be remembered wrongly as the controller for casual gaming.

The mock ups of this new tablet control done by kotaku show that you can have all the buttons of a traditional controler coupled with the screen.

I imagine streaming the web and app store and having games played on the big screen. streaming games onto the console within a fixed parameter whilst other watch tv.

Streaming BBC i player to the controller.

As for games you have mouse like controls with your finger. Maybe good for FPS. Swiping and menu control. Mini games during coop. And assisted Coop. Not as exciting as the wii remote.

SirLink 04.06.2011#12

Tbh, this sounds like something we really have to see in order to see if it works well or not. Plain words don't do anything here, it's all up to the execution. If it's executed very well it might just be the next revolution in gaming.

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xxThe_Dice_manxx 05.06.2011#13

Greetings

What I find confusing is they seem to have binned the Wiimote/nunchuk, I think they are making the new console backward compatible with the wiimote and hence making it more appealing to the massive Wii user base already established.

The new "high end" console with its new controller is the pitch at the hardcore gamer perhaps?, who will then buy up wiimotes etc to go with the new console to reap the benefits of its backward compatibility? and new games which incorporate the wiimote?.

The touch screen on the pad was an inevitability, as soon as I seen one on a DS, I remarked this would be great on a pad, reasons? too many to list, its uses are legion.

The success of this console, I believe rests solely on the hardware, if it isnt a great enough leap in power, it will not sell.It will need to be considerably more powerful than xbox/ps3 if Nintendo wants to steal thier user base.

Of course there is the online material to be considered, Nintendo need to pull something out of the hat to drastically improve everything they have in this section.

But let us see what happens come tuesday, although knowing Nintendo I wouldnt expect a lot to be revealed.

samus_boy 06.06.2011#14

SirLink said:
Tbh, this sounds like something we really have to see in order to see if it works well or not. Plain words don't do anything here, it's all up to the execution. If it's executed very well it might just be the next revolution in gaming.

My thoughts exactly. I just keep remembering all the mock-ups of the Wii controller before it was unveiled.