News: 4A Games: Wii U Has a Horrible, Slow CPU Page 1

JoshSL 21.11.2012#1

O-oh yeah?! Well 4A has a horrible, slow FACE!!1

Bet they didn't see that one comin' ahaaa Smilie alcaponed. Truly roasted.

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Sonic_13 21.11.2012#2

Totally believe this one studio over all the others...

Unfortunately some people are going to take this one quote and run with it.

JoshSL 21.11.2012#3

I wonder if these are the anonymous devs who said they didn't like WiiU before? Hmm.

Well in all fairness, THQ hardly has the money or resource costs at the moment to really experiment with new hardware, it's possibly too risky for them. They're practically out of business.

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And (guest) 21.11.2012#4

This Dev is slightly delusional, why does he have his game utilizing more CPU processes then GPU processes are beyond me, GPU's have come such a long way while CPU's not so much. They probably just tried to do a straight port since the PS3 and Xbox360 have much better CPu than GPU's.
Oh well, Lazy dev is lazy.

Mandown 21.11.2012#5

Harsh even if true. I don't think THQ will be too happy.

I worry about CPU intensive games arriving on the machine, it may be too much work for developers to get such games running smoothly.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/11/call_of_duty_black_ops_ii_suffers_from_reduced_frame_rate_on_wii_u

( Edited 24.11.2012 18:42 by Linkyshinks )

Martin_ 21.11.2012#6

Well, just one of those things I guess. We'll see if more games fall by the wayside on 'U, or compare unfavorably to versions on the old consoles. Really, all multiplats should be looking better on a new console.

LOL at those lambasting him, pretending to know more about games development than an actual developer.

JoshSL 21.11.2012#7

Martin_ said:
Well, just one of those things I guess. We'll see if more games fall by the wayside on 'U, or compare unfavorably to versions on the old consoles. Really, all multiplats should be looking better on a new console.

It usually takes a while, it took a lot of devs doing multiplats to port well to PS3 and there were complaints back then about how it worked, complete with shoddy ports, but they just had to get used to it and you don't see shoddy PS3 ports much anymore.

Most multiplat WiiU games minus run better than on other plats, but if it's a matter of needing a great CPU like with this or Samurai Warriors, things don't turn out so great since the WiiU apparently focuses on GPU rather than CPU.. whatever that means.

( Edited 21.11.2012 18:27 by SuperLink )

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God 21.11.2012#8

Well that's quick.
Well, maybe a less powerful console. But you'll save yourself 150 dollars. And you'll get Nintendo exclusives. That's 3 classic Nintendo franchises with money that you'd otherwise have spent on a noisy, 'mature' console. Or chocolate. ALOT of chocolate! Damn! 8-/

Nintendo - now you're playing with less power. But, it's more environmently friendly and saves you money. Nintendo, because the planet IS worth fighting for. Think of beaches, imagine bikinis. Filled or not, u are all different. Aaaaah Im not sure if Im inredibly hungry or in the mood for the new Super Mario Bro...thanks for reading. G

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Martin_ 21.11.2012#9

SuperLink said:

It usually takes a while, it took a lot of devs doing multiplats to port well to PS3 and there were complaints back then about how it worked, complete with shoddy ports, but they just had to get used to it and you don't see shoddy PS3 ports much anymore.

True, but then the PS3 was new hardware, and completely different to anything that had come before. It (at the time) had a good nVidia GPU, and the CPU was out of this world. It's not the same situation here with the Wii U. It has a good GPU, coupled with a simply weak CPU. That the CPU can't match the 6 year old CPUs of the 360/PS3 is frankly embarrassing if you're a gamer.

What they're banking on, of course, is that all those non-gamers who own Wiis and made it the success that it is won't notice. And they won't. They don't care about CPUs or power or any of that jazz. Only gamers do.

It saddens me that gamers here are towing the Nintendo party line that 'power doesn't matter that much'. When you all get super-excited over HD Nintendo games, I'll remind you that you could have had those games in 2006 if Nintendo weren't shit. Instead you got another GameCube, and now you're basically just getting a PS3/360. Happy days.

SuperLink said:
Most multiplat WiiU games minus run better than on other plats, but if it's a matter of needing a great CPU like with this or Samurai Warriors, things don't turn out so great since the WiiU apparently focuses on GPU rather than CPU.. whatever that means.

Basically the CPU is weak, even when compared to those in the 360 and certainly the PS3. It has a better GPU than those consoles (as I understand it), but not by miles. There's also such a thing in computer hardware as 'bottlenecking'. A CPU and GPU should be nicely-balanced and work in harmony. Otherwise one is held back by the other.

They might have been better off knocking the GPU down a notch or two, and bringing the CPU up said amount of notches.

We'll have to see how all this pans out. The Eurogamer teardown of the Wii U wasn't very flattering.

( Edited 21.11.2012 19:11 by Martin_ )

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It usually takes a while, it took a lot of devs doing multiplats to port well to PS3 and there were complaints back then about how it worked, complete with shoddy ports, but they just had to get used to it and you don't see shoddy PS3 ports much anymore.[/quote]

True, but then the PS3 was new hardware, and completely different to anything that had come before. It (at the time) had a good nVidia GPU, and the CPU was out of this world. It's not the same situation here with the Wii U. It has a good GPU, coupled with a simply weak CPU. That the CPU can't match the 6 year old CPUs of the 360/PS3 is frankly embarrassing if you're a gamer.

What they're banking on, of course, is that all those non-gamers who own Wiis and made it the success that it is won't notice. And they won't. They don't care about CPUs or power or any of that jazz. Only gamers do.

It saddens me that gamers here are towing the Nintendo party line that 'power doesn't matter that much'. When you all get super-excited over HD Nintendo games, I'll remind you that you could have had those games in 2006 if Nintendo weren't shit. Instead you got another GameCube, and now you're basically just getting a PS3/360. Happy days.

[quote][b]SuperLink said:[/b]<br/>Most multiplat WiiU games minus run better than on other plats, but if it's a matter of needing a great CPU like with this or Samurai Warriors, things don't turn out so great since the WiiU apparently focuses on GPU rather than CPU.. whatever that means.[/quote]

Basically the CPU is weak, even when compared to those in the 360 and certainly the PS3. It has a better GPU than those consoles (as I understand it), but not by miles. There's also such a thing in computer hardware as 'bottlenecking'. A CPU and GPU should be nicely-balanced and work in harmony. Otherwise one is held back by the other.

They might have been better off knocking the GPU down a notch or two, and bringing the CPU up said amount of notches.

We'll have to see how all this pans out. The Eurogamer teardown of the Wii U wasn't very flattering.

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crackedthesky 21.11.2012#10

A few other companies beg to differ. Gearbox says the Wii U version of Aliens is easily the best, the Tekken guys say there's basically no difference between the Wii U and PS3 versions of the games, etc.

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Mandown 21.11.2012#11

justonesp00lturn said:
A few other companies beg to differ. Gearbox says the Wii U version of Aliens is easily the best, the Tekken guys say there's basically no difference between the Wii U and PS3 versions of the games, etc.

Neither of those games pose problems for the CPU, one is a fighter, while the other is a UE3 FPS with a modified lighting engine. The games of the next generation will be extremely taxing on CPU's, worlds will be fully realized at the physical level, no canned animations and break points, everything will be real-time, forcing in a new level of emergent gameplay.

That's the problem, it's just above par with ageing tech.

( Edited 21.11.2012 20:13 by Linkyshinks )

God 21.11.2012#12

Who cares about graphics anyway. It's all about the sound effects if I'm being very brutally honest...that's my problem with the Wii no U. I'm getting headaches all over when I remember the Wiii menu sounds. And the music oh...I think there was no way to shut it down. Would it please? No...my....I dont feel too well

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RufDogRacing 21.11.2012#13

I agree with Martin on most scores here. In my opinion, the simplest way of looking at things is often the most telling, and I can't get my head around why Nintendo would be so secretive about what's inside the Wii U unless there's reason for their gamers to be concerned. Whether or not they felt they've balanced it out smartly, efficiently or on the cheap - the radio silence to me denotes a worry. If they really felt it was up to scratch and beyond in terms of specs, surely they would have been out-spoken about it, but clearly, they don't want discussions like this thread, which reflects badly for the outlook for the system.

Even a few developers making statements like this is concerning: if it was clearly above the level of our current 6/7 year old 360s and PS3s, surely these things wouldn't come up at all? Why would a developer lie, because they don't like Nintendo? Surely not, that's a waste of time, they just wouldn't develop games for the system - they don't need to explain anything in those circumstances. This denotes that opinions of the specs for the Wii U are by no means unanimous - which they really should be, if there's no reason to worry.

Bracing myself for another generation of Nintendo being in their own boat. Like Martin says, although the prospect of HD Mario, Zelda and Metroid is mouth-watering - we should have had it years and years ago. Despite all these fantastic series, in my opinion, Nintendo's wavering stance on their hardware has de-prioritized those brilliant game series, which ultimately are what carry the company. This is probably the last time Nintendo can milk their casual audience, and it surely won't be on the scale it was with the Wii.

Unfortunately I think Nintendo have made a massive blunder by not ensuring some (future) security with their specs: again, looking at things in simplistic terms, how many avid gamers who grew up on Goldeneye, Mario, Banjo (real games, basically) who continued to game have stuck exclusively to Nintendo? I can't imagine it's as many as they'd like. And the fact is, they could have kept all of those people if they continued their policy of being up-to-date with their competitors. The Wii U looked to correct that trajectory that avid gamers may have perceived through the Wii - instead, all this talk makes it seem like they're trying to dupe us into buying what isn't spec-wise a next generation console.

I'd love to stand up for Nintendo like many C3ers here, but if they have nothing to hide, show and fully explain the contents of your box. I can't think of any logical reason why it's kept under wrap, and furthermore it just adds to the impression that Nintendo don't want to help other developers get the most juice out their system. They may be happy with their new console's infrastructure, but clearly not everyone is.

Edit: On the subject:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-mass-effect-3-wii-u-face-off

( Edited 21.11.2012 22:23 by The Strat Man )

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I agree with Martin on most scores here. In my opinion, the simplest way of looking at things is often the most telling, and I can't get my head around why Nintendo would be so secretive about what's inside the Wii U unless there's reason for their gamers to be concerned. Whether or not they felt they've balanced it out smartly, efficiently or on the cheap - the radio silence to me denotes a worry. If they really felt it was up to scratch and beyond in terms of specs, surely they would have been out-spoken about it, but clearly, they don't want discussions like this thread, which reflects badly for the outlook for the system.

Even a few developers making statements like this is concerning: if it was clearly above the level of our current 6/7 year old 360s and PS3s, surely these things wouldn't come up at all? Why would a developer lie, because they don't like Nintendo? Surely not, that's a waste of time, they just wouldn't develop games for the system - they don't need to explain anything in those circumstances. This denotes that opinions of the specs for the Wii U are by no means unanimous - which they really should be, if there's no reason to worry.

Bracing myself for another generation of Nintendo being in their own boat. Like Martin says, although the prospect of HD Mario, Zelda and Metroid is mouth-watering - we should have had it years and years ago. Despite all these fantastic series, in my opinion, Nintendo's wavering stance on their hardware has de-prioritized those brilliant game series, which ultimately are what carry the company. This is probably the last time Nintendo can milk their casual audience, and it surely won't be on the scale it was with the Wii.

Unfortunately I think Nintendo have made a massive blunder by not ensuring some (future) security with their specs: again, looking at things in simplistic  terms, how many avid gamers who grew up on Goldeneye, Mario, Banjo (real games, basically) who continued to game have stuck exclusively to Nintendo? I can't imagine it's as many as they'd like. And the fact is, they [i]could[/i] have kept all of those people if they continued their policy of being up-to-date with their competitors. The Wii U looked to correct that trajectory that avid gamers may have perceived through the Wii - instead, all this talk makes it seem like they're trying to dupe us into buying what [i]isn't[/i] spec-wise a next generation console.

I'd love to stand up for Nintendo like many C3ers here, but if they have nothing to hide, show and fully explain the contents of your box. I can't think of any logical reason why it's kept under wrap, and furthermore it just adds to the impression that Nintendo don't want to help other developers get the most juice out their system. They may be happy with their new console's infrastructure, but clearly not everyone is.

Edit: On the subject:

[url]http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-mass-effect-3-wii-u-face-off[/url]

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JoshSL 21.11.2012#14

I'm not gonna pretend to know much about the technical side of consoles as opposed to the marketing side, but.. here's a very cultured and detailed response.

There was something about a GPGPU thingy that does the thing instead of the CPU and apparently it's kinda new and not many things are doing it yet but if it's used right it can work instead of a CPU and apparently other machines in the future will use GPGPU too. Whatever that means.
Future proofing is important to Nintendo, I don't really know what I'm talking about tech wise but I know that they're not stupid enough to dig themselves into a trench that will halt after a year or so.

So I'm hoping this thing about the GPGPU being some kind of important thingymajiger is true.
And.. for the sake of argument, the Wii was basically a GameCube, it didn't even have power over the XBOX. The WiiU is at least a bit more powerful than the PS3 or 360, not gonna deny their successors will overtake again, but I still don't think it'll be as bad a situation as last time.
And; business wise, Nintendo have probably got it in the bag again.

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Martin_ 22.11.2012#15

SuperLink said:
Future proofing is important to Nintendo, I don't really know what I'm talking about tech wise but I know that they're not stupid enough to dig themselves into a trench that will halt after a year or so.

If so important, then why have Nintendo offered up last-gen specs and calling it a 'next-gen' console? You're towing the party line, Supes.

I remember a time when Nintendo had the best specs around (in the console space). The reason the N64 had such a great library is because it had some games that you just technically couldn't even do on PlayStation or Saturn. Even the GameCube was very nice in terms of power. Was right up there with the Xbox, perhaps just a smidge behind.

Then after that, Nintendo offered GameCube v1.1, and you all fell for it. Now they're giving you Xbox 360 v1.1. Don't fall for it.

Martin_is_a_fool (guest) 22.11.2012#16

Martin_ said:
Then after that, Nintendo offered GameCube v1.1, and you all fell for it. Now they're giving you Xbox 360 v1.1. Don't fall for it.

What a ridiculous statement. Why are you even on this site?

JoshSL 22.11.2012#17

Idc tbh, even if I was disappointed with the Wii's specs and online, it still gave me the most enjoyment of the gen because of the games available on it, maybe it was the genres, maybe it was the Nintendo games.

I'd honestly like if Nintendo were on par with the others, but I understand their business angle doesn't work like that anymore, as long as the console plays neat games I couldn't really care less about 'towing the party line'.

The Wii may have been GC 1.1, but the WiiU is factually more powerful than the 360 or PS3, Even games with less than stellar port jobs have been keeping up in their own way, and the WiiU has been almost universally praised besides THQ.
We'll see how it pans out of course.

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Martin_ 22.11.2012#18

Martin_is_a_fool (guest) said:
What a ridiculous statement. Why are you even on this site?

Hey Oldschool. I'm on the site because I'm an old-time Nintendo fan, and have been here for years now. There's also a community here, it's not just a gaming website.

David Cameron (guest) 22.11.2012#19

You all need to relax people, it's a console. Have fun with it, that's what it's designed to do, not for everyone to argue over meaningless tiny differences in specifications on a forum and waste your time.

Embrace the Wii U, it'll be fun and if you don't want it, that's also fine. You can enjoy games on your PS3 or 360 too. Let's all be friends and enjoy videogames, no matter what the system, they'll all be something for everyone!

Have a happy day everyone. Smilie

Satoru Iwata (guest) 22.11.2012#20

Martin, you're acting as if me or Miyamoto-san have murdered your parents or something. I do not remember doing so. (laughs) What do you want from us? Wii U is for everyone, whether you like the GameCube or the Wii.

We have not neglected our consoles, we still make the Zelda games you want to play. We also have new Pikmin 3 coming on Wii U. What do you have against us as a company? Wii U will have games that can only be experienced on that platform and more.

Do not wish for our company to hit a financial ice berg please, that is rather cruel of you. Just because you grew out of Nintendo, does not mean everyone else should. There are still loyal fans out there that love what we do, so we must be doing something right. (laughs)

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God 22.11.2012#21

Hey what a positive guest! I wish he'd become a member. :-(

But yeah, it's hard getting excited over old graphics consoles just for a different controller. A lot of people think otherwise. But I actually don't want t play Donkey Returns because of my wrist. I was helping my little cousin complete Mario wii. I was tired. That whole motion stuff is uncomfortable. The pointer stuff is nonsense, it's something original I guess. Now it just feels completely forced and about as fun as Duck Hunt, once, never again. Nintendo is a toy company at heart, it shows. I even bought a Wii.
Would be great to have Nintendo games on a normal system again. No motion, stylus swiping, microphone blowing, 3d without glasses!, smallest console ever!, etc...originality is a bonus, not the goal.

That's probably what you get if you let artists make business decisions. A lot of them have this tunnel vision that if it isn't original or ground breaking in some way' it's not worth pursuing. Just let them create art. Especially if he's german.

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Sonic_13 22.11.2012#22

Martin_ said:
Then after that, Nintendo offered GameCube v1.1, and you all fell for it. Now they're giving you Xbox 360 v1.1. Don't fall for it.

You act as if Nintendo is trying to trick us all or something. Gamers like you annoy the hell out of me.
It's a game console. It's meant to have fun with. Just have fun with it. Play games. Geez.

If Wii U's not your thing, guess what? That's perfectly fine! No one said you had to get one. Just like the other systems it's not going to be for everyone. I just don't get why you feel the need to try and convince others not to get one. Just game on with your system of choice. Different gaming systems can coexist fine.

It's this type of attitude that needs to change in the gaming community.

( Edited 22.11.2012 15:09 by Sonic_13 )

God 22.11.2012#23

That IS some solid advice. We should all play more, defintely. Repost if you agree. If anybody wants the quote in a picture to share on facebook let me know....I know my way around a computer. ;- Smilie ;- Smilie

Seriously, wasting time is fun. To me it's what life is about. People like to twist that around, I know. But where's the logic in that? If you spend your life doing meaningful things when are you going to have fun? When are you going to relax? When are you going to come up with new ideas? This whole planet is built on waste, time or not and you shuould all stick to it. I will...for sure.

Peace. You can't spell it without eace...ease? You know what i mean

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anonx (guest) 22.11.2012#24

Lets have patient they just began making games, how wii u is just going to a wii.1 lol that is non sense
if nintendo mades the best good looking games for wii and they look like HD talking about Mario Galaxy just wait third parties make the worst looking games for nintendo systems besides wiiu has 2 gbs run

Powdered Water 25.11.2012#25

On processing side this has always been the hot subject for years and years. Aren't you tired of repeating the same argument?

So long as your perception of gaming progress means improvement in processing speed, you're unlikely to sit well with Nintendo. I would have thought we all know this by now after a decade of repeating the same thing. It works just fine. Nothing "towing the party line" about it. It's a different school of thought over which I had my doubts when DS came out. But I realized after a while that Nintendo is right on this. At the very least, it sits well with my desires of development in this scene.

Of course, your mileage may vary. If you're power hungry, I would recommend that you stick to PCs and stay clear of consoles. In that sense, consoles are never "next gen" when PCs can progress on weekly basis.

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