News: Iwata Responds to Nintendo Wii U Power Critics Page 1

Sonic_13 01.05.2013#1

it "has a different architecture from other consoles and that, when utilized in the right way, it can perform well."

That goes with what we've generally been hearing all along. Those who put effort into it are surprised by the results they get as opposed to those who dismiss it right away.

J4K 01.05.2013#2

This whole discussion just needs to go away period. Iwata and other top brass should probably no longer respond to the issue. It really doesn't make much difference one way or the other whether the Wii U is only marginally more powerful than 360/PS3, or marginally + 1 more powerful than the 360/PS3. Regardless it's not going to hold a candle to next gen systems so all the focus needs to be put on the actual gameplay experience.

Mandown 01.05.2013#3

Jacob4000 said:
This whole discussion just needs to go away period. Iwata and other top brass should probably no longer respond to the issue. It really doesn't make much difference one way or the other whether the Wii U is only marginally more powerful than 360/PS3, or marginally + 1 more powerful than the 360/PS3. Regardless it's not going to hold a candle to next gen systems so all the focus needs to be put on the actual gameplay experience.

It makes all the difference, the focus here isn't on power alone, it concerns the resulting ramifications. This issue matters because of third-party software intended as multi-format software. Both PS4 and XBOX will be lead platforms for games that are;

1) Simply impossible on Wii U
2) Aren't easily scalable to Wii U, because of the costs and resources required to fragment existing teams to work on lesser hardware and the laborious time consuming testing required for this kind of development (*). And the risks, when there's little possible gain, given the type of audience Wii U has in contrast to the others, and it's low audience numbers compared to Wii.

* All this when It supposedly takes less than a month to port a high spec PC game to PS4, according to Cerny

This issue will plague the Wii U it's entire life, it will only get worse as more high-end MF games, meant for "high-end platforms" are released

( Edited 01.05.2013 15:34 by Linkyshinks )

JoshSL 01.05.2013#4

@LS, see: the NES, the Nintendo 64, the Nintendo Wii, the Nintendo DS, the Nintendo 3DS. All systems weaker than their competitors in one or more ways.

Both the PS3 and 360 were home to games that were impossible on Wii or aren't easily scaleable to the Wii. Same for N64, many games moved to PS1 because they weren't working out on N64. What is so mindblowing and revolutionary about this business angle of Nintendo's that has only made you so massively vocal about it now and not a decade ago?

Christ LS it's not logical to keep banging on about this subject, what exactly are you suggesting or expecting Nintendo to do? Drop WiiU support and invest thousands on a new system that is probably currently pre-production at best? There is absolutely no logic behind your desire for WiiU to have the power of its competitors, it can't and won't ever, the sooner you accept that and move on the sooner you'll be able to sleep at night.

I'm sure the issue will plague the WiiU its whole life, just like it's plagued practically half of the Nintendo hardware ever released. (not)
Your desire for Nintendo to drop the WiiU and make something as powerful as competitors is completely without economic or time sense or logic. What the heckle.

Get over it, seriously. I don't remember you being this ridiculously adverse when Nintendo released a souped up Gamecube and called it a Wii instead, I also don't remember anyone with those arguments expecting the Wii to be so successful. It's the same "power is more" argument that's existed from certain gamers since the beginning of time and, as of yet, has almost no correlation to success or game quality, that's most likely not going to change now no matter what rumours you've heard (and assume as fact) to suggest otherwise and even if the WiiU was up to competitor power that certainly doesn't entitle it to extra MF support (see: Gamecube or Vita).

( Edited 01.05.2013 14:10 by SuperLink )

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Bucky (guest) 01.05.2013#5

SuperLink said:
@LS, see: the NES, the Nintendo 64, the Nintendo Wii, the Nintendo DS, the Nintendo 3DS. All systems weaker than their competitors in one or more ways.
Christ LS it's not logical to keep banging on about this subject, what the hell are you suggesting or expecting Nintendo to do? Drop WiiU support and invest thousands on a new system that is probably currently pre-production at best? There is absolutely no logic behind your desire for WiiU to have the power of its competitors, it can't and won't ever, the sooner you accept that and move on the sooner you'll be able to sleep at night.
I'm sure the issue will plague the WiiU its whole life, just like it's plagued practically half of the Nintendo hardware ever released. (not)
Your desire for Nintendo to drop the WiiU and make something as powerful as competitors is completely without economic or time sense or logic. What the heckle.
Get over it, seriously. I don't remember you being this ridiculously adverse when Nintendo released a souped up Gamecube and called it a Wii instead, I also don't remember anyone with those arguments expecting the Wii to be so successful. It's the same "power is more" argument that's existed from certain gamers since the beginning of time and, as of yet, has almost no correlation to success or game quality, that's not going to change now no matter what rumours you've heard (and assume as fact) to suggest otherwise.

Stop talking sense.

J4K 01.05.2013#6

Linkyshinks said:
Jacob4000 said:
This whole discussion just needs to go away period. Iwata and other top brass should probably no longer respond to the issue. It really doesn't make much difference one way or the other whether the Wii U is only marginally more powerful than 360/PS3, or marginally + 1 more powerful than the 360/PS3. Regardless it's not going to hold a candle to next gen systems so all the focus needs to be put on the actual gameplay experience.
It makes all the difference, the focus here isn't on power alone, it concerns the resulting ramifications. This issue matters because of third-party software intended as multi-format software. Both PS4 and XBOX will be lead platforms for games that are;
1) Simply impossible on Wii U
2) Aren't easily scalable to Wii U, because of the costs and resources required to fragment existing teams to work on lesser hardware and the laborious time consuming testing required for this kind of development (*). And the risks, when there's little possible gain, given the type of audience Wii U has in contrast to the others, and it's low audience numbers compared to Wii.
* All this when It supposedly takes less than a month to port a high spec PC game to PS4, according to Cerny
This issue will plague the Wii U it's entire life, it will only get worse as more high-end MF games, meant for "high-end platforms" are released.

Of course the issue matters -- I'm not saying it's not a big deal that Nintendo's system is once again a generation behind the competition. What I'm saying is that it's an established fact that can't be changed at this point. There's no reason for Nintendo to even try to counter this notion because it's simply true: the Wii U will be underpowered compared to the competition.

Trying to argue "well it's really not that weak" or "the power will surprise you" is simply a waste of his time and ours and distracts from the problems they can fix: the games. It's like when Iwata said that Wii graphics would make us say "wow" back in the day. Well, they didn't and in hindsight he shouldn't have even tried to hype that aspect of the system at all.

Focus on getting us games, not trying to con us into believing the Wii U has true next-gen power.

( Edited 01.05.2013 15:06 by Jacob4000 )

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[quote][b]Linkyshinks said:[/b] [quote][b]Jacob4000 said:[/b] This whole discussion just needs to go away period. Iwata and other top brass should probably no longer respond to the issue. It really doesn't make much difference one way or the other whether the Wii U is only marginally more powerful than 360/PS3, or marginally + 1 more powerful than the 360/PS3. Regardless it's not going to hold a candle to next gen systems so all the focus needs to be put on the actual gameplay experience.[/quote]

It makes all the difference, the focus here isn't on power alone, it concerns the resulting ramifications. This issue matters because of third-party software intended as multi-format software. Both PS4 and XBOX will be lead platforms for games that are;

1) Simply impossible on Wii U 
2) Aren't easily scalable to Wii U, because of the costs and resources required to fragment existing teams to work on lesser hardware and the laborious time consuming testing required for this kind of development (*). And the risks, when there's little possible gain, given the type of audience Wii U has in contrast to the others, and it's low audience numbers compared to Wii.

* All this when It supposedly takes less than a month to port a high spec PC game to PS4, according to Cerny

This issue will plague the Wii U it's entire life, it will only get worse as more high-end MF games, meant for "high-end platforms" are released. [/quote]

Of course the issue matters -- I'm not saying it's not a big deal that Nintendo's system is once again a generation behind the competition. What I'm saying is that it's an established fact that can't be changed at this point. There's no reason for Nintendo to even try to counter this notion because it's simply true: the Wii U will be underpowered compared to the competition.

Trying to argue "well it's really not [i]that[/i] weak" or "the power will surprise you" is simply a waste of his time and ours and distracts from the problems they [i]can[/i] fix: the games. It's like when Iwata said that Wii graphics would make us say "wow" back in the day. Well, they didn't and in hindsight he shouldn't have even tried to hype that aspect of the system at all.

Focus on getting us games, not trying to con us into believing the Wii U has true next-gen power.

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JoshSL 01.05.2013#7

It's PR stuff that Nintendo want the consumer to believe to give WiiU some bonus sales before the more powerful systems come along. Nintendo know it's not as powerful as competitors, they developed it knowing that fully well.

The power level or lack thereof isn't an "oversight", it's an intentional business and demographic angle and it's not exactly a new one. They advertised the 3DS as having awesome looking powerful games, of course they were aware the Vita was on the way being far more powerful. Whether this business angle was a mistake or not is a different matter, one that will come to light within the next few years.

People take company statements far too literally, gamers should be used to this stuff. How else will you manage when Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo are all saying "our current hardware is the best selling games system on the planet" at the same time? Because that's exactly what happened this past gen.

Try to tell me Sony couldn't have made the PS2 more powerful than the Gamecube if they wanted to.
Of course they could have, but back then even marginal differences in power could chop off some extra expense and heck, Sony didn't even need it with how successful that system was. This was something that their manufacturers and marketers had planned, it wasn't weaker than the GC or Xbox through oversight.

( Edited 01.05.2013 15:15 by SuperLink )

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Mandown 01.05.2013#8

SuperLink said:
@LS, see: the NES, the Nintendo 64, the Nintendo Wii, the Nintendo DS, the Nintendo 3DS. All systems weaker than their competitors in one or more ways.
Both the PS3 and 360 were home to games that were impossible on Wii or aren't easily scaleable to the Wii. Same for N64, many games moved to PS1 because they weren't working out on N64. What is so mindblowing and revolutionary about this business angle of Nintendo's that has only made you so massively vocal about it now and not a decade ago?
Christ LS it's not logical to keep banging on about this subject, what exactly are you suggesting or expecting Nintendo to do? Drop WiiU support and invest thousands on a new system that is probably currently pre-production at best? There is absolutely no logic behind your desire for WiiU to have the power of its competitors, it can't and won't ever, the sooner you accept that and move on the sooner you'll be able to sleep at night.
I'm sure the issue will plague the WiiU its whole life, just like it's plagued practically half of the Nintendo hardware ever released. (not)
Your desire for Nintendo to drop the WiiU and make something as powerful as competitors is completely without economic or time sense or logic. What the heckle.
Get over it, seriously. I don't remember you being this ridiculously adverse when Nintendo released a souped up Gamecube and called it a Wii instead, I also don't remember anyone with those arguments expecting the Wii to be so successful. It's the same "power is more" argument that's existed from certain gamers since the beginning of time and, as of yet, has almost no correlation to success or game quality, that's most likely not going to change now no matter what rumours you've heard (and assume as fact) to suggest otherwise and even if the WiiU was up to competitor power that certainly doesn't entitle it to extra MF support (see: Gamecube or Vita).

Stop putting BS words into my mouth, claiming I am saying this or that. It's utter crap.

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[quote][b]SuperLink said:[/b] @LS, see: the NES, the Nintendo 64, the Nintendo Wii, the Nintendo DS, the Nintendo 3DS. All systems weaker than their competitors in one or more ways.

Both the PS3 and 360 were home to games that were impossible on Wii or aren't easily scaleable to the Wii. Same for N64, many games moved to PS1 because they weren't working out on N64. What is so mindblowing and revolutionary about this business angle of Nintendo's that has only made you so massively vocal about it now and not a decade ago?

Christ LS it's not logical to keep banging on about this subject, what exactly are you suggesting or expecting Nintendo to do? Drop WiiU support and invest thousands on a new system that is probably currently pre-production at best? There is absolutely no logic behind your desire for WiiU to have the power of its competitors, it [i]can't and won't ever[/i], the sooner you accept that and move on the sooner you'll be able to sleep at night.

I'm sure the issue will plague the WiiU its whole life, just like it's plagued practically half of the Nintendo hardware ever released. (not)
Your desire for Nintendo to drop the WiiU and make something as powerful as competitors is completely without economic or time sense or logic. What the heckle.

Get over it, seriously. I don't remember you being this ridiculously adverse when Nintendo released a souped up Gamecube and called it a Wii instead, I also don't remember anyone with those arguments expecting the Wii to be so successful. It's the same "power is more" argument that's existed from certain gamers since the beginning of time and, as of yet, has almost [i]no correlation[/i] to success [i]or[/i] game quality, that's most likely not going to change now no matter what rumours you've heard (and assume as fact) to suggest otherwise and even if the WiiU [i]was[/i] up to competitor power that certainly doesn't entitle it to extra MF support (see: Gamecube or Vita).[/quote]

Stop putting BS words into my mouth, claiming I am saying this or that. It's utter crap.

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JoshSL 01.05.2013#9

Linkyshinks said:

Stop putting BS words into my mouth, claiming I am saying this or that. It's utter crap.

If you insist you're not saying "this or that", why do you care so much that the WiiU isn't as powerful as its competitors? It's not going to change anytime soon, or ever. It's also not going to plague anything, just like it hasn't "plagued" other comparitively weak consoles in game history. MF support on Nintendo systems has always been weak since gen4, that's not going to change because of powerful hardware, the GC proved as much.

Let it go man.
It's just video games.
It'll still get fun things with buttons that you can play. Yay?

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Mandown 01.05.2013#10

"What is so mindblowing and revolutionary about this business angle of Nintendo's that has only made you so massively vocal about it now and not a decade ago?"

Not had the displeasure of knowing you that long, thank god. Ten years, are you having a laugh?

"Drop WiiU support and invest thousands on a new system that is probably currently pre-production at best?"

A prime example of the utter BS I allude to above.

Please do show me on this site, or any other for that matter, where I have said I want this, or even alluded that I want this?.

(for the record, Nintendo are working on a unified developmental system with good reason, any new console will be compatible with Wii U software)

"There is absolutely no logic behind your desire for WiiU to have the power of its competitors, it can't and won't ever, the sooner you accept that and move on the sooner you'll be able to sleep at night."

There you go again, you really do have a serious problem with this don't you?.

I have no desires of the sort, nor do I have problems sleeping, lol.

"Your desire for Nintendo to drop the WiiU and make something as powerful as competitors is completely without economic or time sense or logic. What the heckle".

lol, you really something else. Why do you consistently claim I have these BS desires, in some smokescreen manner what is your problem here?

JoshSL 01.05.2013#11

Linkyshinks said:
Not had the displeasure of knowing you that long, thank god. Ten years, are you having a laugh?

That's not what I mean, I mean this isn't the first time (by far) that Nintendo has released weaker or feature-lacking hardware compared to competitors. Did you complain this much about the N64 or DS being weak? I don't remember you being this up in arms about the Wii either?

Please do show me on this site, or any other for that matter, where I have said I want this, or even alluded that I want this?.

You misread me, sorry, I just wanted to know what you would suggest Nintendo do seeing as the WiiU is evidently so utterly doomed. From your dislike of the WiiU hardware, I assumed you wanted Nintendo to just give up on the WiiU and release another system instead.

(for the record, Nintendo are working on a unified developmental system with good reason, any new console will be compatible with Wii U software)

There's no record, you're going off rumours and out of context implications once again. It's something Nintendo have expressed they'd like to do, sure, but it's likely in planning stages at best, probably similarly to how Sony and MS will already be planning out successors to the PS4 and 720, or if not successors then some kind of long-term plan,

There you go again, you really do have a serious problem with this don't you?.
I have no desires of the sort, nor do I have problems sleeping, lol.

Not quite, I have a "problem" with you dragging the WiiU power bashing and doomsaying into every thread nowadays regardless of its relevance to the subject, it's making the threads unpleasant to post in for those who perhaps don't want a console war everywhere they look and simply want to enjoy the consoles. Even the PlayStation thread, probably the most peaceful gaming-related thread active at the moment, can't escape the WiiU bashing. There aren't enough active users vocally saying "it's ok to like to WiiU" meaning the users who do like it feel silenced by every post declaring the WiiU's inevitable doom or comprehensive list of unforgivable failures.

lol, you really something else. Why do you consistently claim I have these BS desires, in some smokescreen manner what is your problem here?

See above.
Criticism of Nintendo is well and good, I criticise them too (especially on Virtual Console lately) but every criticism has its place, the WiiU thread (and this) doesn't always need to be filled with negativity on the same subject (graphics/power) over and over, it is possible to have genuinely positive responses to things sometimes. By all means, hate the WiiU as much as you like, all I care about is the consideration that other C3 users feel put off by threads becoming wells of negativity; it's not exactly "fun" for me to wade through walls of text about why you shouldn't be enjoying your WiIU, I doubt it is "enjoyable" for many other members who simply want to enjoy theirs either.

I'm not saying this as a mod, I'm saying this as a forum member, I'd appreciate some more respect for those who enjoy the thing.

And I'll take that as a compliment. Smilie

( Edited 01.05.2013 16:24 by SuperLink )

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[quote][b]Linkyshinks said:[/b] Not had the displeasure of knowing you that long, thank god. Ten years, are you having a laugh?[/quote]
That's not what I mean, I mean this isn't the first time (by far) that Nintendo has released weaker or feature-lacking hardware compared to competitors. Did you complain this much about the N64 or DS being weak? I don't remember you being this up in arms about the Wii either?

[quote]Please do show me on this site, or any other  for that matter, where I have said I want this, or even alluded that I want this?.[/quote]
You misread me, sorry, I just wanted to know what you would suggest Nintendo do seeing as the WiiU is evidently so utterly doomed. From your dislike of the WiiU hardware, I assumed you wanted Nintendo to just give up on the WiiU and release another system instead.

[quote](for the record, Nintendo are working on a unified developmental system with good reason, any new console will be compatible with Wii U software)[/quote]
There's no record, you're going off rumours and out of context implications once again. It's something Nintendo have expressed they'd like to do, sure, but it's likely in planning stages at best, probably similarly to how Sony and MS will already be planning out successors to the PS4 and 720, or if not successors then some kind of long-term plan,

[quote]There you go again, you really do have a serious problem with this don't you?.

I have no desires of the sort, nor do I have problems sleeping, lol.[/quote]
Not quite, I have a "problem" with you dragging the WiiU power bashing and doomsaying into every thread nowadays regardless of its relevance to the subject, it's making the threads unpleasant to post in for those who perhaps don't want a console war everywhere they look and simply want to enjoy the consoles. Even the PlayStation thread, probably the most peaceful gaming-related thread active at the moment, can't escape the WiiU bashing. There aren't enough active users vocally saying "it's ok to like to WiiU" meaning the users who do like it feel silenced by every post declaring the WiiU's inevitable doom or comprehensive list of unforgivable failures.

[quote]lol, you really something else. Why do you consistently claim I have these BS desires, in some smokescreen manner what is your problem here?[/quote]
See above.
Criticism of Nintendo is well and good, I criticise them too (especially on Virtual Console lately) but every criticism has its place, the WiiU thread (and this) doesn't [i]always[/i] need to be filled with negativity on the same subject (graphics/power) over and over, it [i]is[/i] possible to have genuinely positive responses to things sometimes. By all means, hate the WiiU as much as you like, all I care about is the consideration that other C3 users feel put off by threads becoming wells of negativity; it's not exactly "fun" for me to wade through walls of text about why you shouldn't be enjoying your WiIU, I doubt it is "enjoyable" for many other members who simply want to enjoy theirs either.

I'm not saying this as a mod, I'm saying this as a forum member, I'd appreciate some more respect for those who enjoy the thing.

And I'll take that as a compliment. ;)

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Mandown 01.05.2013#12

SuperLink said:
Linkyshinks said:
Not had the displeasure of knowing you that long, thank god. Ten years, are you having a laugh?

That's not what I mean, I mean this isn't the first time (by far) that Nintendo has released weaker or feature-lacking hardware compared to competitors. Did you complain this much about the N64 or DS being weak? I don't remember you being this up in arms about the Wii either?
Please do show me on this site, or any other for that matter, where I have said I want this, or even alluded that I want this?.

You misread me, sorry, I just wanted to know what you would suggest Nintendo do seeing as the WiiU is evidently so utterly doomed. From your dislike of the WiiU hardware, I assumed you wanted Nintendo to just give up on the WiiU and release another system instead.
(for the record, Nintendo are working on a unified developmental system with good reason, any new console will be compatible with Wii U software)

There's no record, you're going off rumours and out of context implications once again. It's something Nintendo have expressed they'd like to do, sure, but it's likely in planning stages at best, probably similarly to how Sony and MS will already be planning out successors to the PS4 and 720, or if not successors then some kind of long-term plan,
There you go again, you really do have a serious problem with this don't you?.
I have no desires of the sort, nor do I have problems sleeping, lol.

Not quite, I have a "problem" with you dragging the WiiU power bashing and doomsaying into every thread nowadays regardless of its relevance to the subject, it's making the threads unpleasant to post in for those who perhaps don't want a console war everywhere they look and simply want to enjoy the consoles. Even the PlayStation thread, probably the most peaceful gaming-related thread active at the moment, can't escape the WiiU bashing. There aren't enough active users vocally saying "it's ok to like to WiiU" meaning the users who do like it feel silenced by every post declaring the WiiU's inevitable doom or comprehensive list of unforgivable failures.
lol, you really something else. Why do you consistently claim I have these BS desires, in some smokescreen manner what is your problem here?

See above.
Criticism of Nintendo is well and good, I criticise them too (especially on Virtual Console lately) but every criticism has its place, the WiiU thread (and this) doesn't always need to be filled with negativity on the same subject (graphics/power) over and over, it is possible to have genuinely positive responses to things sometimes. By all means, hate the WiiU as much as you like, all I care about is the consideration that other C3 users feel put off by threads becoming wells of negativity; it's not exactly "fun" for me to wade through walls of text about why you shouldn't be enjoying your WiIU, I doubt it is "enjoyable" for many other members who simply want to enjoy theirs either.
I'm not saying this as a mod, I'm saying this as a forum member, I'd appreciate some more respect for those who enjoy the thing.
And I'll take that as a compliment.

Misread my arse, save you BS apology, I'm totally done with this site.

I'll apply respect where it's due. You're just some teenager on his high horse playing the troll act within guise of a mod. If any regular member were to make up a ton of bullshit as you do above, they'd be called out on it instantly, for blatantly attempting to incite another member. This isn't the only thread you tried this in, only the other day you did this within another thread. And yet again, as you do here, you back out of it in some prickish manner.

When Nintendo informs their investors of their plans to do something, they're not rumours. When Nintendo tells their investors that their new HQ will be a flagship for this new developmental structure, it's not a rumour. When Nintendo's CEO tells investors they hope to make games easier to move from system to system, it's not a rumour.

http://www.inside-games.jp/article/2013/01/16/62972.html

This thread is about Wii U power - I am perfectly on topic. If you have a problem with me staying on topic - fuck off Smilie

I am totally done here, I have no wish to return. I am sick of you consistently attempting to curtail any valid criticisms in any thread I choose to voice them in, like some crazed Nintendo fan who must put an end to my "misguided" views. I'm in my late 30's, I've been following Nintendo for a lot longer than you have and I have voiced my criticism throughout these ensuing years at every single stage.

I don't even reply to any of your posts!, yet you continue to post BS about mine in some passive aggressive manner, lamely attempting to put my views in bad light. These are not the actions befitting of a moderator, on any forum.

Fuck off SuperLink

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[quote][b]SuperLink said:[/b] [quote][b]Linkyshinks said:[/b] Not had the displeasure of knowing you that long, thank god. Ten years, are you having a laugh?[/quote]
That's not what I mean, I mean this isn't the first time (by far) that Nintendo has released weaker or feature-lacking hardware compared to competitors. Did you complain this much about the N64 or DS being weak? I don't remember you being this up in arms about the Wii either?

[quote]Please do show me on this site, or any other  for that matter, where I have said I want this, or even alluded that I want this?.[/quote]

[b]You misread me, sorry[/b], I just wanted to know what you would suggest Nintendo do seeing as the WiiU is evidently so utterly doomed. From your dislike of the WiiU hardware, I assumed you wanted Nintendo to just give up on the WiiU and release another system instead.

[quote](for the record, Nintendo are working on a unified developmental system with good reason, any new console will be compatible with Wii U software)[/quote]
[b]There's no record, you're going off rumours and out of context implications once again.[/b] It's something Nintendo have expressed they'd like to do, sure, but it's likely in planning stages at best, probably similarly to how Sony and MS will already be planning out successors to the PS4 and 720, or if not successors then some kind of long-term plan,

[quote]There you go again, you really do have a serious problem with this don't you?.

I have no desires of the sort, nor do I have problems sleeping, lol.[/quote]
Not quite, I have a "problem" with you dragging the WiiU power bashing and doomsaying into every thread nowadays regardless of its relevance to the subject, it's making the threads unpleasant to post in for those who perhaps don't want a console war everywhere they look and simply want to enjoy the consoles. Even the PlayStation thread, probably the most peaceful gaming-related thread active at the moment, can't escape the WiiU bashing. There aren't enough active users vocally saying "it's ok to like to WiiU" meaning the users who do like it feel silenced by every post declaring the WiiU's inevitable doom or comprehensive list of unforgivable failures.

[quote]lol, you really something else. Why do you consistently claim I have these BS desires, in some smokescreen manner what is your problem here?[/quote]
See above.
Criticism of Nintendo is well and good, I criticise them too (especially on Virtual Console lately) but every criticism has its place, the WiiU thread (and this) doesn't [i]always[/i] need to be filled with negativity on the same subject (graphics/power) over and over, it [i]is[/i] possible to have genuinely positive responses to things sometimes. By all means, hate the WiiU as much as you like, all I care about is the consideration that other C3 users feel put off by threads becoming wells of negativity; it's not exactly "fun" for me to wade through walls of text about why you shouldn't be enjoying your WiIU, I doubt it is "enjoyable" for many other members who simply want to enjoy theirs either.

I'm not saying this as a mod, I'm saying this as a forum member, I'd appreciate some more respect for those who enjoy the thing.

And I'll take that as a compliment. ;)[/quote]

Misread my arse, save you BS apology, I'm totally done with this site.

I'll apply respect where it's due. You're just some teenager on his high horse playing the troll act within guise of a mod. If any regular member were to make up a ton of bullshit as you do above, they'd be called out on it instantly, for blatantly attempting to incite another member. This isn't the only thread you tried this in, only the other day you did this within another thread. And yet again, as you do here, you back out of it in some[i] prickish[/i] manner.

When Nintendo informs their investors of their plans to do something, they're not rumours. When Nintendo tells their investors that their new HQ will be a flagship for this new developmental structure, it's not a rumour. When Nintendo's CEO tells investors they hope to make games easier to move from system to system, it's not a rumour.

[url=http://www.inside-games.jp/article/2013/01/16/62972.html]http://www.inside-games.jp/article/2013/01/16/62972.html

T[color=#222222]his thread is about Wii U power -  I am perfectly on topic. If you have a problem with me staying on topic[/color][/url] - fuck off :)

I am totally done here, I have no wish to return. I am sick of you consistently attempting to curtail any valid criticisms in any thread I choose to voice them in, like some crazed Nintendo fan who must put an end to my "misguided" views. I'm in my late 30's, I've been following Nintendo for a lot longer than you have and I have voiced my criticism throughout these ensuing years at every single stage.

I don't even reply to any of your posts!, yet you continue to post BS about mine in some passive aggressive manner, lamely attempting to put my views in bad light. These are not the actions befitting of a moderator, on any forum.

Fuck off  SuperLink

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JoshSL 01.05.2013#13

Let it be known that when I'm within discussions on the forum, I do it as a member, not a mod, and preferably I'd like other members to treat me and my opinions like an equal. I'm only human and make mistakes on knowledge and information, and so please call me out of them. I don't think I'm spouting bullshit, we clearly just have very different views, you have a better understanding of the technical side of consoles than I do, but my understanding is on industry politics like demographics and marketing.

Yes I called you out, not incite, I called you out because as a member (not as a mod) I got tired of the negativity, even in this thread. And no you weren't off topic, and no I'm not telling you off, it's just a personal preference so please don't take it as C3's "word of law" or anything like that. I asked as a member that you respect those enjoying the system, you don't have to respect me as a person, but I would like if the forums were a little more pleasant to browse for those who are made uncomfortable by the bashing.

Thanks for calling me out on my mistakes, I'm not going to learn anything new if no one does that. You're perfectly entitled to think what you like, if nothing else, my only desire is for the forums to be comfortable and welcoming for anyone to post in, regardless of how "right" or "wrong" they seem to some. That includes criticisms, so please don't let me dissuade you from posting what you think, especially if you feel strongly about it. I only ask that you do it in an open-minded way that allows for healthy discussion; as far as I'm concerned there is no absolute right or wrong here.

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Faust_D 02.05.2013#14

Misread my arse, save you BS apology, I'm totally done with this site.I'll apply respect where it's due. You're just some teenager on his high horse playing the troll act within guise of a mod. If any regular member were to make up a ton of bullshit as you do above, they'd be called out on it instantly, for blatantly attempting to incite another member. This isn't the only thread you tried this in, only the other day you did this within another thread. And yet again, as you do here, you back out of it in someprickish manner.When Nintendo informs their investors of their plans to do something, they're not rumours. When Nintendo tells their investors that their new HQ will be a flagship for this new developmental structure, it's not a rumour. When Nintendo's CEO tells investors they hope to make games easier to move from system to system, it's not a rumour.http://www.inside-games.jp/article/2013/01/16/62972.html This thread is about Wii U power - I am perfectly on topic. If you have a problem with me staying on topic - fuck off I am totally done here, I have no wish to return. I am sick of you consistently attempting to curtail any valid criticisms in any thread I choose to voice them in, like some crazed Nintendo fan who must put an end to my "misguided" views. I'm in my late 30's, I've been following Nintendo for a lot longer than you have and I have voiced my criticism throughout these ensuing years at every single stage.I don't even reply to any of your posts!, yet you continue to post BS about mine in some passive aggressive manner, lamely attempting to put my views in bad light. These are not the actions befitting of a moderator, on any forum.Fuck off SuperLink