By Barry Lewis 07.09.2006 16
Sega is teh ruler! Great stuff Barry
I don't like prawns much... *puke*
hehe
If you ain't got Nin10do you ain't got shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously though, I think Barry still has a soft spot for Sony here. Embrace the third generation blues theory!
( Edited on 07.09.2006 21:32 by )
Der SegaHund said:
Sega FTW!
*rolls eyes*
(emoticons do not suffice to show how far these eyes are rolling)
lol
Oh god...I won't last 5 minutes in this thread
Never knew the Mega Drive sold 35m that is damn good and when people often refer to Nintendo's history most people dismiss SEGA as a minimal threat.
This article is terrible. It's all theories inside one persons head.
Barry, next time can we have more facts and less theory in your next opinion piece.
patjuan32 said:
This article is terrible. Its all theories inside one persons head. Barry, next time can we have more facts and less theory in your next opinion piece.
Well, seeing as I created the idea of the whole IG column with Barry I don't see a problem. Sure, it was originally meant to be more facts and figures based, but I think this sort of stuff is really interesting. And Barry's right, the third console from a company generally is a bit of a problem system. If you're big with one console/album/film/tv show, everyone wants to see the second offering/series/edition whatever, so 1 and 2 will normally do well, by natural logic, people are more difficult to appeal to by the time the third iteration comes along.
I guess whether you like facts or theory is down to personal preference, but I don't mind a mixture of both. Who knows, Issue 12 might be solid numbers all the time. Variety is the spice of life after all
patjuan32 said:
This article is terrible. Its all theories inside one persons head. Barry, next time can we have more facts and less theory in your next opinion piece.
I would have thought an opinion piece would contain opinions, you know...
The problem that I have with the article is that someone looked back on history and took some coincidences and formed a theory. The problem with this is that it ignores the actual history that occurred at that time. For instance Nintendo decided to use cartridges because two companies, including Sega, have released CD gaming system that were failures. Also the PlayStation was released before the N64 and was not very popular. The N64 sold over 300,000 units on its first day at launch and at that time it was the fastest selling system in history. Square had already shown a Final Fantasy VII tech demo for the N64. However, the N64's cartridges were too small and Square moved Final Fantasy VII over to the PlayStation. This is when the PlayStation became very popular as well as RPGs. Therefore to conclude that somehow there is something called
^ Very true, N64's Resi Evil managed FMV, and Zelda breathed orchestral sound. These carts were huge.
The problem that I have with the article is that someone looked back on history and took some coincidences and formed a theory.
That's the problem then! I actually started out with the theory, and came to the conclusion it was all coincidence (Mr. T could confirm this; the first draft was pure theory but I fleshed out the second half and concluded it all with a re-write at his suggestion).
It was just an interesting theory I fancied taking a look at after discussing music with a mate and noticing parallels. I'd actually love to do it the way you prefer, but sadly it'd take several thousand extra words and with the medium in mind that just isn't a good idea.
Thanks for the feedback though, and sorry you didn't like the outcome
( Edited on 08.09.2006 18:14 by nin10do )
nin10do,
I actually liked the outcome. Your interesting theory, "The Third Generation Blues" encourged discussion. That's what it's all about. This is the only forum that I've been to that encourages mature discussion. Hopefully this continues.
nin10do said:
The damage by this point was nearly terminal, moving into a fourth generation and not being king pin left Nintendo panicked. In a last ditch attempt to tackle Sony's Playstation brand the weary producer made a half-assed effort to ride the Game Boy Advance' popularity; hence the birth of the GameCube name, connectivity and dodgy purple-plastic casing. As we all know by now the outcome was equal to the effort
Well, this article was well written, but man, oh man, some of the content. Some of the comments in this article are greatly exagerated with personal opinion, seemingly lacking the knowledge of the finer details of what really took place during this time period. The way it's worded paints a far more grim picture for Nintendo, particularly GameCube, than what it really was. The excerpt above is particularly upsetting unless you don't know any better.
patjuan32 said:
The problem with this is that it ignores the actual history that occurred at that time. For instance Nintendo decided to use cartridges because two companies, including Sega, have released CD gaming system that were failures. Also the PlayStation was released before the N64 and was not very popular. The N64 sold over 300,000 units on its first day at launch and at that time it was the fastest selling system in history. Square had already shown a Final Fantasy VII tech demo for the N64. However, the N64's cartridges were too small and Square moved Final Fantasy VII over to the PlayStation.
You're absolutely right, but there's more to it. Nintendo also went with cartrdiges because of the lack of loading times for games and there were also a lot of advanced 3-D techniques that couldn't be done or couldn't be done easily using technology for CD's at the time. The thing is, over time those hurdles were overcome during the Playstations liftime. N64 cartridges were very limited in storage capacity when compared to CDs and you needed very good compression software to run FMVs. They were expensive to manufacture and in turn it costed more to develop games for. On the whole, the N64 was difficult to develop games for as well. Still, I loved my little N64 and I played the crap out of it (like I do today with my little Cube, lol). The Playstation, on the other hand, was fairly easy to develop for and pretty inexpensive so many 3rd parties jumped ship.
I remember the Final Fantasy tech demo for the N64, lol. It was really sweet. All my friends and I shed a tear in a moment of silence when Squaresoft announced exclusive support for Playstation.
( Edited on 09.09.2006 08:10 by MechaG2 )
MechaG2 said:nin10do said:The damage by this point was nearly terminal, moving into a fourth generation and not being king pin left Nintendo panicked. In a last ditch attempt to tackle Sony's Playstation brand the weary producer made a half-assed effort to ride the Game Boy Advance' popularity; hence the birth of the GameCube name, connectivity and dodgy purple-plastic casing. As we all know by now the outcome was equal to the effortWell, this article was well written, but man, oh man, some of the content. Some of the comments in this article are greatly exagerated with personal opinion, seemingly lacking the knowledge of the finer details of what really took place during this time period. The way its worded paints a far more grim picture for Nintendo, particularly GameCube, than what it really was. The excerpt above is particularly upsetting unless you dont know any better.
At the end of the day I'm one of the biggest Nintendo fans you'll find, but frankly the mistakes were made, and I stick by the things you highlighted.
As for the rest, as I said I couldn't go into great detail. I simply had to report what happened to support / dispel my theory, and not drag on for three thousand words of why it happened.
Anyway, again, thanks for the comment
Another good article Barry.
The problem that I have with the article is that someone looked back on history and took some coincidences and formed a theory.
That's exactly what analysts do. They look at past trends and figures and predict what will happen in the future based on the history.