Dr_R said:
Oni,I think the reason people are getting so annoyed with your rants (and they are rants) is that youre taking your opinion, based on a few screenshots of the new twilight realm, and making gross assumptions about what Nintendo have actually been doing for the last year.
I've already said that I know they haven't only been adding Wii controls in the last year. That's a given. But do you really think they've put a year's worth of work into the actual game itself, or do you think they've put most of it into getting the Wii port up-and-running?
You don't find it odd that the game was 'nearly finished' a year ago, and here we are, still waiting for it? The delay came not long after the Wii was announced, and Nintendo furiously denied all the rumours that there was going to be a Wii version. Then, they announced it, and had a whole year to work on it, because they'd already delayed it. Highly convenient, don't you think? And what do you think that extra year has mostly been spent on? Wii controls. I'm not putting two and two together and getting five, am I? I've made no 'gross assumptions', certainly haven't assumed any more than you, and I'm entitled to rant.
Dr_R said:
Youre also talking as if the console for which it was originally designed actually means anything. Twilight Princess isnt some piece of art that was meant to be a book or a play thats been bastardised into a 90 minute hollywood film. It isnt a piece of great music covered by a shit boyband. Its a game thats been developed over a long period of time, with mucho play testing of a variety of control schemes. Everything about the game is being, or has been, honed and tweaked and if you dont think thats exactly what theyve been doing for the last year to make sure the Wii version is great then youre a fool.
But those rather dramatic analogies don't really apply to what I've been saying. After all those years of work put into it, designing it as a GameCube game, you think they can undo all of that and redesign it for another console in just one small year? No. No matter how much they try, it's a GameCube game, and therefore, will feel more at home on the GC. It's very simple, and I don't see why you find it such a hard thing to comprehend. And was there really any need for the 'fool' comment at the end? Trying to make an impact?
Dr_R said:
Now I might be making some assumptions here, but I think its safer to say that Nintendo is working hard to make Twilight Princess a great game, and a great experience on Wii than it is to say that Nintendo are going to risk the reputation of one of their biggest franchises on a control scheme they dreamt up one night so they could chuck it onto their new console.
Oh, please. You're exaggerating to the nth degree just to try and argue with me. Of course Nintendo are doing their best to make the Wii port as good as humanly possible. They're arent trying to make it crap, are they? The Wii port will be great, and I've already said I'm all for it. Do pay attention.
Dr_R said:
Yes, it would have been business suicide to release TP only on GC to little sales.
I know that, and you know that. We all know that. I've not said anything to the contrary (no-one has). It doesn't bear repeating, and you're only saying it just to say it. The problem I and some others have, is that some of us have already waited a very long time for the GC version. Is it right for Nintendo to then release the GC version after the Wii port..? And not only that, but to lie about why, aswell!
There's absolutely no practical reason why they'd release the GC version after. Then to lie about it, well, it's just Nintendo cannibalizing the GC version, and some of us resent that.
Dr_R said:
It would also be business suicide to release a highly anticipated game on a new console with new controls without making sure those controls, and the game experience, were at least as good as the GC control scheme. Imagine the negative impact on impressions of the Wii.
Of course they wouldn't do that. But then, having the good grace to give us the GC version at the same time as the Wii port wouldn't exactly harm the Wii version at all, would it?
Dr_R said:
I think youre being excessively pessimistic about the Wii version of this game for several reasons:1. You believe the GC version was finished last year and are annoyed youve been denied playing it then.
I'm annoyed at being made to wait primarily for the Wii version, that is all.
Dr_R said:
2. Youre not that enamoured with the Wii controller and dont really see its potential. Fine, but I can and Im really looking forward to it.
Not at all, and I don't know where you've got this from. I think the Wii has lots of potential, with software designed for it, not ported GameCube games.
Dr_R said:
3. You dont like the idea of large changes in one of your favourite game franchises.
You're just making stuff up, now. I've never said that. Never.
Dr_R said:
4. Youre angry that Nintendo have put business decisions (not releasing TP solely on an obsolete platform) before your gaming needs.
I'm angry that they'd completely trample on the GC version in favour of the Wii port, that is all. As I've said multiple times now, I accept Nintendo's need to improve the Wii's crap line-up with a good game, I just resent that I'm being punished for it. I don't expect them to release it soley for the GC at all, but they could easily release both version at the same time. Easily. They're lying when they say they can't.
Dr_R said:
Basically, if thats what you think, then theres nothing anyone here can do to change your mind.
That's not what I think though, you've misinterpreted me, and made stuff up at every point.
Dr_R said:
Perhaps youre right about all 3 and Wii TP will destroy the Zelda franchise.
You're making this up. I've never said that, at all. I'm all for the Wii port. I just want my GC version at the same time, is that too much to ask?
Dr_R said:
Perhaps youre wrong and Nintendo have spent the last year turning TP into a great Wii game.
Well, I can't exactly be wrong about all the stuff I've never even said.
Dr_R said:
Id imagine its somewhere in between. I reckon TP will be a great game on the Wii, but we wont really see it fully exploit the possibilities of the controller. Thats for the next one!
Indeed.
( Edited on 27.10.2006 11:32 by Oni )