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"SEGA has fully supported the Wii since day one and we continue to do so
Nintendo News | Sega Exec: Wii Worn out by 2008 [ Or Will It? ]
By Jorge Ba-oh 
15.06.2007 
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Link to this post: I can see where he's coming from, but the PS2 sort of disproves it. Nintendo are bound to be working on something (a peripheral or whatever) to re-jig the Wii in a few years time. We'll have to see.
It's going to be shit and you jolly well know it.
Bullshit, a console only wears out because of the games that are or arent being released for it.
Well, I understand what he's saying, but it all depends... IT DEPENDS IF THESE STUPID COMPANIES STOP STICKING WII WITH HALF-ASSED PORTS AND CHEAP SPIN-OFFS!!!
Okay, rant's over. 
Chance favors the prepared mind.
He would have a point, but I think the installed user base by then will be sufficient to guarantee continued software sales, developer support, and thus further console sales, no matter how dated the hardware will look.
I also don't really see why people think the wii will look "increasingly" dated- the only valid reason for that is everyone buying HDTV's, which, to be honest, won't have happened by 2008. Other than that, all they are saying is that developers will get better at developing for the PS3 and 360.. which they should also do for the wii. If anything, given gamecube experience, nintendo should have the edge there, as developers continue to push the platform out further.
If the wii doesn't look "dated" enough to hamper sales now, it won't do in a years time, because, dur, it will be up against the same consoles.
The only way the man's point becomes relevant is if:
a) Surprise new consoles are released!
b) Everyone buys an HDTV by 2008
c) Wii developers dissapoint.
C is possible, but not predictable, the other two are unlikely/ridiculous.
[ F J D ] said:
Bullshit, a console only wears out because of the games that are or arent being released for it.
But it's not just the graphics that the Wii is lacking in, is it?
The 360 and PS3 have (relatively) large harddrives and have much better multimedia functions. While the Wii is significantly cheaper at the moment, the difference in price will definately decrease over time as well.
They 360 and PS3 can also do HD which will become much more of a factor as the years progress. Sure, the chances are most people still won't have HDTV's in 2 years time, but I would think most people would be considering it at some point and may find the lack of HD in the Wii a bit of a dissapointment.
As long as decent games are coming out for the Wii I'm sure it will sell relatively well, but I'm also sure that it will date much quicker then the 360 or PS3 and the lack of real development from the Gamecube will become more of a factor.
Smells like cheese said:
Sure, the chances are most people still wont have HDTVs in 2 years time
I don't know man, nearly half the people I know have one, and most of the rest are talking about getting one soon. In two years time, who knows how many people will be HD ready. All you can say for certain is that the Wii won't be.
<_< DS vs PSP graphics are not the be all and end all XD and if we stop geting shit ports and make game for the wii then moaning on about ps3 and 360 and how good it look <_< yeah only looks not play that all they say nothing about game play
Oni-Ninja said:Smells like cheese said:Sure, the chances are most people still wont have HDTVs in 2 years timeI dont know man, nearly half the people I know have one, and most of the rest are talking about getting one soon. In two years time, who knows how many people will be HD ready. All you can say for certain is that the Wii wont be.
But we aren't representative of the nation, nor are the people we know- add to that the fact that plenty of people may be buying new tv's that happen to be HD, but not really upgrading most of their equipment to actually display HD content, and the relative problem posed by increased HD adoptance seems to diminish.
Equally, we seem to forget that nintendo, if anyone, is best poised to drop the price of the wii- what with not making a loss on it and all. Nintendo have the ability to keep the wii significantly cheaper than the 360 and the PS3, they'd have to be stupid not to.
I don't get how some say the Wii is or will be outdated. I guess when people say that they mean the graphics will look bad compared to other next gen consoles.
Look, the graphics on consoles have come to the point where developers are not limited to realizing their vision. More pixels, shaders, polygons etc. then what? Where are you going to go from there? They can make Doom 3, Resident Evil 5, Gears of War, or another graphically cool games on the Wii, albeit scale down, but still doable. I think graphic capability was important in the last generation or two. Why? Because real-time 3D games can finally be realized. That's why games like Mario 64 and Zelda OOT were so cool -- those games couldn't be done on a weaker console.
Furthermore, graphics are not really important to most gamers. Fun and innovation is what's important to gamers. That is why the Nintendo DS is killing the PSP in sales. The new interface (which many thought was a gimmick) was innovative, just as the Wii interface is a innovative. And the PS2 outselling the PS3 shows the consumers don't too much about more eye candy. Yes, that's what the PS3 is, just more eye candy. There is hardly anything new about it than just better graphics -- same type of games just in high definition.
I tell you guys what. If Sony, Microsoft, or any other company that comes out with their next console without motion controllers similiar to Nintendo's I'll eat my hat.
GR781 said:Oni-Ninja said:But we arent representative of the nation, nor are the people we know- add to that the fact that plenty of people may be buying new tvs that happen to be HD, but not really upgrading most of their equipment to actually display HD content, and the relative problem posed by increased HD adoptance seems to diminish.Smells like cheese said:Sure, the chances are most people still wont have HDTVs in 2 years timeI dont know man, nearly half the people I know have one, and most of the rest are talking about getting one soon. In two years time, who knows how many people will be HD ready. All you can say for certain is that the Wii wont be.
Yeah course, I was just stating my personal experience on the subject. By that same token though, there's nothing to say that that isn't roughly representative of the nation.
GR781 said:
Equally, we seem to forget that nintendo, if anyone, is best poised to drop the price of the wii- what with not making a loss on it and all. Nintendo have the ability to keep the wii significantly cheaper than the 360 and the PS3, theyd have to be stupid not to.
Yeah. I personally think the Wii's initial RRP is pretty high, for what it is. So I agree, they've alot of room to move, on that one. Far more than MS and Sony.
Well on topic, anyone seen this article?
Analyst believes PS3 will win console battleWedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter has told GamesIndustry.biz that he believes a higher spec, HD-enabled "Wii 2" could be on the shelves "in a couple of years".
Pachter's comments came in response to those made by SEGA executive Scott Steinberg, who expressed concern about the long term future of Nintendo's console.
"I think that a lot of people consider the Wii a "fad", and attribute that conclusion to the type of people who have been attracted to the Wii so far," Pachter said, observing that many publishers "don't know what to do with" the new demographics of female and older gamers.
"Sega, of course, has games like Sonic that resonate well with this audience, so I'm not singling them out as having an issue, but it appears to me that these non-traditional consumers baffle most of the publishers," he continued.
"As they are unaccustomed to dealing with them this early in the cycle, they have to justify their oversight in not anticipating the strength of the Wii with this group by labelling the group as having no staying power, resulting in the labelling of the Wii as a fad."
With regard to Steinberg's suggestion that developers are reaching the limits of creative possibility when it comes to the Wii's remote control, Pachter said, "I can't begin to imagine what is on the drawing board for the Wii, but I can say that most developers I've spoken with are extemely excited about the potential for the console... I believe that we've only just scratched the surface.
"Also, Scott's analysis presupposes that we have seen the last in hardware innovation from Nintendo," he went on.
"I disagree. It's easy to envision a Wii 2 in a couple of years that runs at full HD, and has both a Wii-mote and an analog controller, so that all games can be ported to it.
"If Nintendo were to introduce such a device, it would be fully comparable to the Xbox 360 - perhaps it wouldn't have Blu-ray, so a comparison to the PS3 may be unfair - and would likely have most of the same third party content as the other two devices."
But Pachter did agree with Steinberg that the PS3 "will ultimately come out on top". Victory, he predicted, will be the result of a console price cut to USD 199 and the success of Blu-ray.
Price point is key, said Pachter - observing that 80 per cent of all Xboxes sold in the US were purchased for USD 199 or less, with the figure approximately the same for PlayStation 2.
"Sony is around 6 million units behind Microsoft, and should be able to make up the gap - barely - by 2009 if they price the console correctly. They will likely be 9 million units behind the Wii by the end of this year, so it may take a bit longer to catch Nintendo, likely 2011 or so," Pachter concluded.
Source: gamesindustry.biz
( Edited on 15.06.2007 21:10 by Yoshidude )
I must admit, as time goes on, the urge to get a PS3 instead of a 360 is slowly rising. it's probably 90/10 to 360 at the moment.
Any reason why? I don't see one in terms of games, and blu ray players will inevitably end up getting cheap- there are already players that cost less than the PS3, in the US at least. Sony themselves are pricing one at $499.
GR781 said:
Any reason why? I dont see one in terms of games, and blu ray players will inevitably end up getting cheap- there are already players that cost less than the PS3, in the US at least. Sony themselves are pricing one at $499.
Yeah they lowered the price of one of their Blu-Ray players by $100 a few weeks ago...
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GR781 said:
Any reason why? I dont see one in terms of games, and blu ray players will inevitably end up getting cheap- there are already players that cost less than the PS3, in the US at least. Sony themselves are pricing one at $499.
Well I dunno, just seems that if Blu-ray comes to fruition, and Sony improve their online etc, it'll close the gap on the 360. I'm talking 'possibly', and 'way off'. It's still all very much 360 at the moment. PS3's got the most potential for longevity though, it must be said.
yeah at $199 i might consider the PS3....bu how far away wil that be? And if sony did sell at 199 the PS3 would suck profit wise.
Hardware aside Nintendo will trounce the other 2 companies in profits.
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ZeroSimon said:
Hardware aside Nintendo will trounce the other 2 companies in profits.
They don't trounce them in games, though.
To be honest, my main reservation about the PS3 as a machine is the controller.. I just..hate.. that..controller!
If I could get a decent controller, there were games that werent on the 360 of sufficient quantity and quality, and the online service was tightened up, and it was $199, or around
If the PS3 came down to
Most people I know have xboxs and play them online, and alot of people on cubed3 have xboxs that and the PS3 controller is shit and horribly out dated is why I got a 360.
On topic though! As long as the games line up improves and it looks like it will at least by the end of the year Wii should be fine, i mean DS looks like a PS1 and quite a lot of the games are 2D but it's doesn't feel out dated at all due to the consistent release of quality titles, and not all of them are innovative either.
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Oni-Ninja said:ZeroSimon said:Hardware aside Nintendo will trounce the other 2 companies in profits.They dont trounce them in games, though.
They do on the handheld side, and they will on the home console side if they keep outselling the PS3 8 to 1 in Japan.
People will learn to take best advantage of the Wii, just like the Xbox360/PS3.
The idea that the Wii will "cap out" and those will not is just crazy.
ALL consoles EVER have got more complex, sophsticated, and darn fun games over the course of their lifes.
Normaly, the best games always come at the end.
We are still on first-gen Wii games with almost all "gesture mapped" motion controll.
As the Xbox360/PS3 are pushed a little harder graphicaly, so the Wii will be pushed too.
Both graphicaly, but more importantly, in terms of motion controll abilitys.
We havnt seen nothing yet.
"IT DEPENDS IF THESE STUPID COMPANIES STOP STICKING WII WITH HALF-ASSED PORTS AND CHEAP SPIN-OFFS!!!"
Absolutely.
Have you seen Sega's crap Ghost-Squad port?
Its got N64-quality round shadows.
Developers LIKE to keep depremoted the Wii graphicaly, as they think that lets them get away with shit.
There is NO excuse for round shaddows on the Gamecube, let alone Wii.
None whatsoever.
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"ZeroSimon said:Hardware aside Nintendo will trounce the other 2 companies in profits.
They dont trounce them in games, though."
PS3 line up is considerable worse the the Wii at the mo.
Both are fairly Week, but the fact the Wii at least has Zelda, and a few original, if casual, games tips it a long way in the Wii's direction.
The PS3 needs an AAA original game.
Resistance was ok, but not Zelda standard. (or Halo or Gears standard for that matter)
The PS3 dosnt get a good line up till around Mid-next year, when MGS4 and LittleBigPlanet ect comes out.
( Edited on 16.06.2007 08:37 by Darkflame )
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