Red Steel 2 (Hands-On) (Wii) Preview

This game has rapidly gone from couldnt-care-less, to one of the most wanted.

This,Conduit,Fragile,Grinder,Galaxy2,NewMario,MonsterHunter3....theres a lot coming

Excelent preview. Very detailed. I have to admit that I think Ubisoft have done a better job then nintendo this E3. This and the new Rabbids game look amazing. I cant wait to play both.
This is the level of game that was missing from nintendos in house devs. Maybe metroid could have been this but with no walk through or conversation about it I was more confuse then anything else.

Excellent preview Karn, I really hope the entire game can deliver on this early promise. The original was such a letdown in the end IMO. Looking forward to the rest of your coverage Mr. Bianco

( Edited 02.06.2009 20:57 by Mr. T )

I seen the E3 vid the seamless transition from sword to gun is a great aspect in it self. Then there's the one shown special move that allows you to throw enemies in the air and either shoot them or jump and attack them. There are even finishing moves This game is now on my Wii most wanted list and it will be Bundle with WM+ who needs multiplayer with that can of gameplay in 1st person.

Sounds and already looks very promising - good to hear the controls are holding up well, even though there is room for improvement/refinement. Top work Karn, and hope you had a good trip!

new Rabbids game look amazing. I cant wait to play both.
This is the level of game that was missing from nintendos in house devs.

whh...What?!

Darkflame said:

new Rabbids game look amazing. I cant wait to play both.
This is the level of game that was missing from nintendos in house devs.

whh...What?!

What do you mean what? If your referring to the rabbids game. Its a new non mini game version of the franchise that has had a lot of work put into it. http://uk.media.wii.ign.com/media/143/14339091/vids_1.html is just a little glimpse of it.

If your questioning redsteel announcement being better then nintendos conference.
Well for me it takes motion plus and gives a developed look at what kind of game you can achieve. They had a demo, a walkthrough with some guy playing and talking the audience through. It was complete.

Wii resort you can only get so excited for. The gameplay will be extensive but will lack depth with no tournaments and limited progression. Plus having reggie try and banter with others is too cringe worthy they .

It sounds superb - completely different to, but much better than, the first game. I'm so glad they've done something else interesting with the speaker; they were the first to use it as a phone, and using it to crack safes sounds cool.

Great work Karn, cannot wait for the remaining coverage.

Yeah, this one has gone from "has potential aren't really interested" to very excited. Great to see Ubisoft really trying to make an A+ Wii game.

I think this is probably my most anticipated game, the only thing that is really lacking is some sort of feedback on the damage on foes (aka blood or sparks or something). Speaking of Red Steel 1, I think they probably were trying to make a A+ game, although they were seriously restricted by time constraints (releasing at launch), learning how to use the Wiimote and the inadequacies of the Wiimote without motion +.

I heard that ubi probably started redsteel 1 thinking when they got the final wiimote build it would give 1:1 playability.
Lets be honest did anyone outside nintendo know it was a little lacking motion wise.
So they made a sword fighting game and got screwed.

I wasn't criticising RedSteal2 at all, merely Rabids, a franchise I thought should have died after the first.
Great Comedy only equaled by its exploitation and disrespect to its buyers.

Red Steal 2, on the other hand, looks like the first big Wii game Ubisoft has put decent amounts of effort into.

I heard that ubi probably started redsteel 1 thinking when they got the final wiimote build it would give 1:1 playability.
Lets be honest did anyone outside nintendo know it was a little lacking motion wise.
So they made a sword fighting game and got screwed.

No, because then youd expect Red Steal 1 to do the best you can with the normal Wiimote...which is sure as hell wasnt.
Theres a difference between "not 1:1" and "not realtime", for example. You can have not 1:1 but still have realtime. You could also have on the fly switching between gun and sword.

I also dont see why any developer should expect new features to appear in a controller before releases. They should work with the devkits they are given, and not assume anything. (especialy with that assumption involves gyro's...which no one had that small at that time).
I mean, how would ubisoft even develop a game for 1:1 without a device that supported it?!

No, Ubisoft had the device, knew its limitations.
As did every other developer with devkits.

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Incidently Red Steal 2 looks better in all areas as well, not merely motioncontroll.
In fact, its so different calling it RS2 might hurt sales. It deserves to be a whole new brand really.

I think we should treat both franchises as complete reboots. Rabids is no different to redsteel in any respect. they have both had a lot of time in development and clearly a lot of thought. Im positive about both.

My main point was that ubisoft dealt with the new motionplus tech in a more inspiring way. Mostly because we know little about redsteel 2. We saw wii resort last E3. So the impact of seeing it this year was far less.

I also think demonstrating motion plus using a more gamers game (any established genre) gives you something more to thinkabout/chew on if you know what I mean. Thats why I thought ubisofts conference was more successful.

Had nintendo displayed at least 3games, early concept zelda a new IP from miyamoto (whacky no doubt) something from retro. It would have got the blood truly pumping.

If I was nintendo I would have gone straight to lucasarts and said lets work together and make an awesome light sabre game. every online game site and magazine would have been all over it.

Darkflame said:
In fact, its so different calling it RS2 might hurt sales. It deserves to be a whole new brand really.

I was at a friend's when we saw there was a Red Steel 2 trailer. I said watch it and he said he wouldn't just because it was Red Steel. I told him it was completely different, but he said he got so ticked at the first game he didn't want anything about it on his computer

So seriously doubt he will buy the game unless they change the name.

Thanks for the comments, guys! My interview with Creative Director Jason Vandenberghe and Lead Game Designer Roman Campos-Oriola is now up, too: linky!

Hey Karn, Martin was commenting the other day that he saw serious lag between swings with the remote and actual input in the game. Did you notice any significant lag? You said in the preview that it can become noticeable if you start flailing, but do you see it being any issue in general?

Not really, no. As I said above I only noticed it when I was attacking mindlessly - particularly with strong/slower attacks - because the game had to play catch-up for older attacks: drawing, animating, and detecting collisions.

When I approached combat a little more mindfully - blocking more, moving about, swinging at opportune moments - the problem disappeared completely and my actions were mapped perfectly.

The whole point of more accurate action mapping is, after all, to do away with mindless waggling, no? If you don't resort to it, there's no problem! At least that's the way it seems so far - we'll see how the game progresses from here.

Looks great! Awesome review Karn!

I personally disliked the first one because you couldn\'t change from sword to guns freely, and the only way to kill a non sword wielding enemy was aproaching from behind, ninja style with the nunchuk. I liked the story at the beginning, but then I got dissappointed with the ending.

Even so, I can\'t diss Ubisoft for that. Maybe time costraints... I don\'t know.

It\'s a real let down knowing people won\'t get this because of the image the first one gave .

( Edited 05.06.2009 00:41 by Udkedae )