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    Well you'll definatly want to have a 3DS sometime in the near future then SuperLink since FF5 will be the next 3D remake Square works on.
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    Vorash Kadan said:
    Well you'll definatly want to have a 3DS sometime in the near future then SuperLink since FF5 will be the next 3D remake Square works on.

    I've had a 3DS since launch, I've been hoping for a 3D FFV remake ever since FFIII came out x-x

    Still nothing's concrete but I bloody hope it happens.
    And I hope Lenna has pink hair and Faris has purple hair because if they make them both blonde I will be pissed = u=


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    I'll just be playing the PlayStation port of the SNES one Smilie
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    I hear ya SuperLink, I hated how in Dissidia Terra was her original Blonde hair color (wish you could stay in picked outfits during story mode too) even though the majority of fans prefer her Green hair since it adds character & makes her unique.

    That & Celes was ALREADY a blonde so since the American exotic fetish had already been addressed for the Japanese audience Terra should've stayed green from the get go. I mean hell she's got Esper blood coursing through her veins...who knows WHAT that'd do to a person's genetic makeup lol!!
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    I hear ya SuperLink, I hated how in Dissidia Terra was her original Blonde hair color (wish you could stay in picked outfits during story mode too) even though the majority of fans prefer her Green hair since it adds character & makes her unique.

    That & Celes was ALREADY a blonde so since the American exotic fetish had already been addressed for the Japanese audience Terra should've stayed green from the get go. I mean hell she's got Esper blood coursing through her veins...who knows WHAT that'd do to a person's genetic makeup lol!!

    Ya exactly, no one complains about Rydia having green hair. Heck if Amano had his way she'd probably be blonde too.

    Seriously that guy loves blondes way too much. I personally love the appearances of the sprites and that the fandom gives the characters, it's a little boring to have every female character blonde.

    There were billions of problems with Dissidia Terra anyway let alone just her hair colour. Smilie


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    Just about to go into the Temple of the Ancients so Aeris can get killed, nice and slow. Remind me never to take a six month break from an old-school FF game. I've spent the last half-hour figuring out what I'm supposed to do next.
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    Well I think that was a bad time for you to come back to it anyway, since I remember there wasn't much of a hint as to figuring out where the keystone was located to get into the TotA.

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    Just wanted to post this here, am listening to the soundtrack whilst I write, and these two in particular are just so good. >.<

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    I'm on disc two, now. I've been scaling ice cliffs and smashing my square button into oblivion quite a lot.
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    I'd still rather see FF5,6 & 8 remade before 7 is touched. I ALSO don't want voice acting since that can ruin the game in 2 was.

    1:You can't name your character since they say their default name in game.

    2:You run the risk of hearing VERY stupid pronounciations of characters names....like how they pronounced Zidane & Tidus in Dissidia...I don't know ANYONE who'd think they're called that!!
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    I just finished Star Ocean 4 and you can still rename your characters for menus and battles. They speak their real names in dialogue, but can still rename.

    As for Zidane and Tidus, I've always pronounced them correctly. Since I live in Europe, we always knew about the famous footballer Zinedine Zidane, so we all had Zidane's name pronounced correctly over here. The only thing is Americans for some reason make a lot of unnecessary "ah" sounds for "a" sounds, so you get the "Zi-dahn" of Dissidia, rather than the "Zi-dan."

    Tidus comes from the Japanese word Tida - "Tee-da" - so that one is also obvious.

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    I'd like to see Final Fantasy XIII-3 remade, or whatever the latest one is. Instead of making new Final Fantasies, they could just pick one and continuously remake it, tune and refine it, forever and ever. Then, one day in the distant future, you'd have one stupidly overdone game.

    Vorash Kadan said:
    I'd still rather see FF5,6 & 8 remade before 7 is touched.


    Why would you skip over VII and go straight to VIII? These days, it seems rather in vogue for self-confessed Final Fantasy nutjobs to look down upon VII for no apparent reason other than it's very popular, and therefore the cool kids want to hate it. Not saying you're one of these people. I'm just curious - do you dislike VII?

    I'm totally not an expert on Final Fantasy (and can't really even be considered a proper fan). However, VII is my favourite. I like the grimey slums, the music, and general setting better than others I've played. In all honesty, there's two I've played a significant amount of - VII and VIII. I've had a go here and there on most of the others, usually on emulators.

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    I ALSO don't want voice acting since that can ruin the game in 2 was.

    1:You can't name your character since they say their default name in game.


    Meh, that's pretty minor if you ask me. So I can't name my main character "Gruntfuttock" or "Horse Willy" and so forth. Who really cares? It's probably for the best, anyway.

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    2:You run the risk of hearing VERY stupid pronounciations of characters names....like how they pronounced Zidane & Tidus in Dissidia...I don't know ANYONE who'd think they're called that!!


    That's just bad voice acting coupled with half-assed voice direction. It should have been down to someone present at the recording sessions to make damn sure that the actors pronounced all the stupid names and everything properly.

    Saying they shouldn't do it for fear of it not being good is just unbelievably defeatist. If those are the colours we want to wear on our shirts, then let's not do a whole bunch of other things too, because there's a chance of failure.

    Square should just be on the ball enough to produce quality English audio. Other studios do it with aplomb, all the time. Square - put voice work in your RPGs. If you don't, you will lose marks on Metacritic and we as gamers will laugh at you. If you do, but do it poorly, you will lose marks on Metacritic and we as gamers will laugh at you.

    Basically, just do a good English voice track or don't even bother at all and leave the Jap voices on there. Amen.
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    Tidus comes from the Japanese word Tida -"Tee-da" -so that one is also obvious.


    Yes. So obvious, Japanese being our native language and all..
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    Tidus comes from the Japanese word Tida -"Tee-da" -so that one is also obvious.


    Yes. So obvious, Japanese being our native language and all..

    I mean it's obvious that Tidus is pronounced Tee-dus based on the word Tida. Not saying it's common knowledge you should know it.

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    Not gonna lie, I always thought Tidus' name was pronounced "Tide-us".
    I guess I got that impression because of the whole 'storm' trend that Nomura's FF protagonists had.

    Cloud, Squall, Tidus, Lightning.
    Tidus being like the sea tide or w/e.
    But yeah that's why I thought that, I think it's a pretty solid reason too! But oh well.

    Also agreed with Martin for the most part, if a game is ruined by voice acting it generally means the voicing has shitty actors or direction (or heck a bad script in the first place.)
    When VA is done well it's really nice and can bring out more emotion in anything. So I wouldn't be at all opposed to more FF remakes with VA- renaming or not.

    Also, overrated sure, but FFVII is a fab game all the same that at least deserves respect. Even without bias it's still one of the stronger games in the series when it comes to plot/pacing/character development.
    Not that it has much in the way of competition there either ahahahaah.


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    I get the 'tide' thing with Tidus. If I hadn't heard the devs mentioning Tidus' name in an interview prior to X's release, I'd probably have called him Tide-us too. I understand people getting it wrong prior to Dissidia.

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    I get the 'tide' thing with Tidus. If I hadn't heard the devs mentioning Tidus' name in an interview prior to X's release, I'd probably have called him Tide-us too. I understand people getting it wrong prior to Dissidia.

    Iirc they actually call him "Tide-us" in Kingdom Hearts II? Which further confuses things because it was pronounced "Teed-us" in KHI oops.


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    Actually it took so long to get to the map on FFVII that I thought there wouldn't even be a world map.


    I remember that! For me it was different, since FFVII was my first. I had no idea that there would even be a world map. I just thought the whole game took place in Midgar. Then.. BAM.. you're outside with the main theme!

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    Final Fantasy VII is ONLY popular because it was in the right place at the right time. If FFVI was released on PSX at the same time FFVII was instead of FFVII, then FFVI would be the most popular. No question. There's nothing incredible about FFVII's story or characters compared to the earlier ones, especially VI.


    I disagree, and while you can easily accuse me of the same, I think you're just being nostalgic. Actually, I think most of this argument boils down to a certain amount of nostalgia on both sides. I think FFVI totally wouldn't have been as big of a success had it not released on SNES and been delayed for PSone, released in place of VII.

    At that time, people were jizzing themselves over the (now laughable) polygon-based graphics of PSone and Saturn games. The crusty visuals of VI would have doomed the series, in my opinion. Or at least set them back a fair few pegs in consumer brand-awareness. I played a touch of VI today on my PS3 (now have V - IX from PSN), and looking like that it wouldn't have made much of a splash, in my opinion!

    Maybe you actually meant VI being released in place of VII, but with all the same graphical standards etc. Well, my answer to that is that's kind of a bizarre way of looking at it. Had VI been done like that, it wouldn't in any way shape or form be the game you love now. VII wouldn't be the same. Neither would any of the successive titles.

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    What annoys me is when people say "FFVII is the best" when it's the only one they've played and they havn't even made an effort to enjoy the others, simply because "it's not FFVII" or "It doesn't have Cloud in it".


    Firstly - don't get annoyed. You're better than that. Who cares if loads of people want to go around saying "Game X from Series Y is the best in that series"? Doesn't effect you, or anyone. I can't imagine anyone saying your last two quotes there, honestly!

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    That's not even the half of it. Hardcore gamers may know and appreciate FFVI, but the grand majority will have only heard of FFs VII to X, and say IX is shit, which is odd because IX is more similar to the classic games.


    You're letting your anger cloud your judgement, Supes! Think - why do people I know only ever revere FF games from VII and onwards? The answer is - you live in the UK. In your region, Final Fantasy VII was the first game in the series to be released. In 1997, most people in the UK didn't have a PC, and for sure nobody in the world was playing SNES games on emulators.

    Thus, to have played prior FF games, you had to be one of those slightly-worrying import gamers. You had to have the right power setup. You had to have a TV that supports 60Hz at the very least, and if you weren't using RGB/component inputs, your TV also needed to understand an NTSC colour signal. Not to mention an imported Super Nintendo/Famicom and what have you.

    You couldn't just refer to eBay for any of that stuff, either. eBay didn't exist. Etc etc. None of your friends give a crap about older FF games because they weren't available for sale in your region until years after the fact. So many years, that everyone but the hardest of core gamer, or died-in-the-wool FF nutjob simply didn't care.

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    The reason this gets up my grill so much is because FF V and VI are my 2 favourite Final Fantasy games, and I have almost noone to talk to about them, especially V. People who claim to be huge FF fans just don't appreciate how awesome these games are because they don't even try them.


    Well, you've gotta respect the fact that they're awesome to you. If Square/NoE (whoever is at fault) hadn't totally ignored Europe in the years from the first FF game up to VII, maybe those games would be more highly thought-of, and/or well remembered. You shouldn't berate people for turning their noses up them now. They were fucking old when we first got them on PSone, and that was over ten years ago. V just looks gash (really bad with the square people), and VI looks like it's pushing the SNES, but in this day-and-age that's not much to write home about.

    Although you have my interest piqued. Perhaps instead of moving on to VIII after my earth-shattering first ever completion of VII, I will go to V and/or VI. You say VI has a much better story and characters than VII. If so, then I'm in for a treat! I think I can just about stomach the visuals in VI (in fact, I find them quite charming in a way). V just looks like a pile of wank, though.

    One thing that confuses me with VI. In the intro, the woman in the robot is blonde. In the game, she is purple/pink. What's up with that? Be pink or blonde, not both. Way to epically confuse me in the first 5 minutes of the game. I was watching the intro unfold, etc etc. Then I'm suddenly put in control of this pink-haired thing, and I'm thinking "Wha..? Who am I, then?"



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    SuperLink said:
    Azuardo said:
    I get the 'tide' thing with Tidus. If I hadn't heard the devs mentioning Tidus' name in an interview prior to X's release, I'd probably have called him Tide-us too. I understand people getting it wrong prior to Dissidia.

    Iirc they actually call him "Tide-us" in Kingdom Hearts II? Which further confuses things because it was pronounced "Teed-us" in KHI oops.

    Yeah, idiotic Square America fucking things up big time.

    btw Martin, you sure you didn't mean FFV? Terra's sprite has green hair in VI, despite the blonde hair of her CG model in the intro FMV.

    Brought up some great points too. It completely passed me by that VII was the first FF released here - I never even thought about that before. But it explains a hell of a lot. So technically, I really did start playing FF from the very beginning according to UK releases.

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    Eesh Martin when in the last decade did you pull that post from? I can't even remember and honestly I disagree with a lot of the things I said there- so I'm not sure how I would really respond in a way that you'd be satisfied with.

    That and I'm not sure the nostalgia thing really appeals to me? I played every mainseries FF since 2004, bloody ages after most of their original releases and contexts.

    FFV and VI are great but.. perhaps because of their own gameplay gimmicks and such, and yeap they have loveable characters and storylines but nothing particularly breathtaking. I'm not sure I'd call FFVII's breathtaking either but eh.

    And the hair thing is weird and is something I have a problem with too.
    In FFV Lenna has pink hair and Faris has purple hair yet in the PS1 CGs they're both blonde.
    And in FFVI Terra has green hair and is blonde is PS1 CGs.

    Their original character designs by Amano are blonde yet something to do with the SNES colour palettes gave them different hair? Or to tell the sprites apart or something. Either way in fandom and a lot of promotional art they're drawn with the colourful hair you see in their sprites and personally I prefer it that way..

    EDIT: Ah you noticed Smilie

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    Either way in fandom and a lot of promotional art they're drawn with the colourful hair you see in their sprites and personally I prefer it that way..

    Bit of a pisstake that Nintendo still haven't given us a pink-haired Link option since LttP now that you mention it...

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    Considering Tidus (pronounced Tide-Us) is an American way of saying it it's not Square of America's fault since the retarded "Teed-Us" & "Zidaan" is Square's Japanese branch way of saying things.

    It's like the dumb way people pronounced Ryu's nae in Street Fighter as "Rie-Oo" instead of the correct way of saying it as "Ree-You" & to further support my knowledge of how you say Tidus' name there was a sitcom in America in the 90's called Tidus (pronounced Tide-Us) WAAAY before FF10 came out.

    Also Martin you only prove my reason for n voice acting " That's just bad voice acting coupled with half-assed voice direction." which means it NEVER should've been attempted in the first place...as I just said.

    Or at the least have an "Old School Option" to turn it off like Baten Keitos had to help with ITS horrendous voice acting problem.
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    Also Martin you only prove my reason for n voice acting " That's just bad voice acting coupled with half-assed voice direction." which means it NEVER should've been attempted in the first place...as I just said.

    Or at the least have an "Old School Option" to turn it off like Baten Keitos had to help with ITS horrendous voice acting problem.

    Nonono that's really backwards.
    By all means keep the option to turn VA off, but if VA sucks it's because the game industry suck at seeking out a huge array of vocal talent that has existed strongly in film, cartoon and anime industries for almost a century already.


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    I don't get this. Square Japan created the character. They named him Tee-dus. That's his name for all regions.

    Then you bring Ryu in to it. Capcom Japan named him Ree-u. The rest of the world calls him Ree-u. If anything, the people calling him Rie-u are the dumb ones, just like the selfish dumb ones insisting on calling Tidus Tide-us, even after we know his real name.

    You bring up a sitcom with someone named Tidus and pronounced Tide-us. That's all very well, but certain people have their names pronounced in different ways. Example, my name Aaron is pronounced A-run, but another Aaron might prefer it pronounced Air-un. In FFX's Tidus' case, he is pronounced Tee-dus, because that's HIS name.

    I get why people think differently if they've never heard the proper pronunciation before, but to refuse the correct way and being ignorant about it after learning of it is just stupid. Fair enough, you're free to call him what you want, but to be calling the guys that named him retarded is pretty lame.

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