Final Fantasy

I hear ya SuperLink, I hated how in Dissidia Terra was her original Blonde hair color (wish you could stay in picked outfits during story mode too) even though the majority of fans prefer her Green hair since it adds character & makes her unique.

That & Celes was ALREADY a blonde so since the American exotic fetish had already been addressed for the Japanese audience Terra should've stayed green from the get go. I mean hell she's got Esper blood coursing through her veins...who knows WHAT that'd do to a person's genetic makeup lol!!

Vorash Kadan said:
I hear ya SuperLink, I hated how in Dissidia Terra was her original Blonde hair color (wish you could stay in picked outfits during story mode too) even though the majority of fans prefer her Green hair since it adds character & makes her unique.

That & Celes was ALREADY a blonde so since the American exotic fetish had already been addressed for the Japanese audience Terra should've stayed green from the get go. I mean hell she's got Esper blood coursing through her veins...who knows WHAT that'd do to a person's genetic makeup lol!!

Seriously that guy loves blondes way too much. I personally love the appearances of the sprites and that the fandom gives the characters, it's a little boring to have every female character blonde.

There were billions of problems with Dissidia Terra anyway let alone just her hair colour.

Sony extended the Final Fantasy offers for another week at least if anyone missed out

Just about to go into the Temple of the Ancients so Aeris can get killed, nice and slow. Remind me never to take a six month break from an old-school FF game. I've spent the last half-hour figuring out what I'm supposed to do next.

Well I think that was a bad time for you to come back to it anyway, since I remember there wasn't much of a hint as to figuring out where the keystone was located to get into the TotA.

Just wanted to post this here, am listening to the soundtrack whilst I write, and these two in particular are just so good. >.<

I'm on disc two, now. I've been scaling ice cliffs and smashing my square button into oblivion quite a lot.

I'd still rather see FF5,6 & 8 remade before 7 is touched. I ALSO don't want voice acting since that can ruin the game in 2 was.

1:You can't name your character since they say their default name in game.

2:You run the risk of hearing VERY stupid pronounciations of characters names....like how they pronounced Zidane & Tidus in Dissidia...I don't know ANYONE who'd think they're called that!!

I just finished Star Ocean 4 and you can still rename your characters for menus and battles. They speak their real names in dialogue, but can still rename.

As for Zidane and Tidus, I've always pronounced them correctly. Since I live in Europe, we always knew about the famous footballer Zinedine Zidane, so we all had Zidane's name pronounced correctly over here. The only thing is Americans for some reason make a lot of unnecessary "ah" sounds for "a" sounds, so you get the "Zi-dahn" of Dissidia, rather than the "Zi-dan."

Tidus comes from the Japanese word Tida - "Tee-da" - so that one is also obvious.

I'd like to see Final Fantasy XIII-3 remade, or whatever the latest one is. Instead of making new Final Fantasies, they could just pick one and continuously remake it, tune and refine it, forever and ever. Then, one day in the distant future, you'd have one stupidly overdone game.

Vorash Kadan said:
I'd still rather see FF5,6 & 8 remade before 7 is touched.

Why would you skip over VII and go straight to VIII? These days, it seems rather in vogue for self-confessed Final Fantasy nutjobs to look down upon VII for no apparent reason other than it's very popular, and therefore the cool kids want to hate it. Not saying you're one of these people. I'm just curious - do you dislike VII?

I'm totally not an expert on Final Fantasy (and can't really even be considered a proper fan). However, VII is my favourite. I like the grimey slums, the music, and general setting better than others I've played. In all honesty, there's two I've played a significant amount of - VII and VIII. I've had a go here and there on most of the others, usually on emulators.

Vorash Kadan said:
I ALSO don't want voice acting since that can ruin the game in 2 was.

1:You can't name your character since they say their default name in game.

Meh, that's pretty minor if you ask me. So I can't name my main character "Gruntfuttock" or "Horse Willy" and so forth. Who really cares? It's probably for the best, anyway.

Vorash Kadan said:
2:You run the risk of hearing VERY stupid pronounciations of characters names....like how they pronounced Zidane & Tidus in Dissidia...I don't know ANYONE who'd think they're called that!!

That's just bad voice acting coupled with half-assed voice direction. It should have been down to someone present at the recording sessions to make damn sure that the actors pronounced all the stupid names and everything properly.

Saying they shouldn't do it for fear of it not being good is just unbelievably defeatist. If those are the colours we want to wear on our shirts, then let's not do a whole bunch of other things too, because there's a chance of failure.

Square should just be on the ball enough to produce quality English audio. Other studios do it with aplomb, all the time. Square - put voice work in your RPGs. If you don't, you will lose marks on Metacritic and we as gamers will laugh at you. If you do, but do it poorly, you will lose marks on Metacritic and we as gamers will laugh at you.

Basically, just do a good English voice track or don't even bother at all and leave the Jap voices on there. Amen.

Tidus comes from the Japanese word Tida -"Tee-da" -so that one is also obvious.

Yes. So obvious, Japanese being our native language and all..

Derp (guest) said:

Tidus comes from the Japanese word Tida -"Tee-da" -so that one is also obvious.

Yes. So obvious, Japanese being our native language and all..

Not gonna lie, I always thought Tidus' name was pronounced "Tide-us".
I guess I got that impression because of the whole 'storm' trend that Nomura's FF protagonists had.

Cloud, Squall, Tidus, Lightning.
Tidus being like the sea tide or w/e.
But yeah that's why I thought that, I think it's a pretty solid reason too! But oh well.

Also agreed with Martin for the most part, if a game is ruined by voice acting it generally means the voicing has shitty actors or direction (or heck a bad script in the first place.)
When VA is done well it's really nice and can bring out more emotion in anything. So I wouldn't be at all opposed to more FF remakes with VA- renaming or not.

Also, overrated sure, but FFVII is a fab game all the same that at least deserves respect. Even without bias it's still one of the stronger games in the series when it comes to plot/pacing/character development.
Not that it has much in the way of competition there either ahahahaah.

I get the 'tide' thing with Tidus. If I hadn't heard the devs mentioning Tidus' name in an interview prior to X's release, I'd probably have called him Tide-us too. I understand people getting it wrong prior to Dissidia.

Azuardo said:
I get the 'tide' thing with Tidus. If I hadn't heard the devs mentioning Tidus' name in an interview prior to X's release, I'd probably have called him Tide-us too. I understand people getting it wrong prior to Dissidia.

Epicly-long reply to Supes.

Edit: Major facepalm! I think I just replied (at length) to a well out-of-date post. The clue should have been Graeme's avatar gracing my screen. Sorry boys - I fucked up

( Edited 04.02.2012 21:59 by Martin_ )

SuperLink said:

Azuardo said:
I get the 'tide' thing with Tidus. If I hadn't heard the devs mentioning Tidus' name in an interview prior to X's release, I'd probably have called him Tide-us too. I understand people getting it wrong prior to Dissidia.

Iirc they actually call him "Tide-us" in Kingdom Hearts II? Which further confuses things because it was pronounced "Teed-us" in KHI oops.

btw Martin, you sure you didn't mean FFV? Terra's sprite has green hair in VI, despite the blonde hair of her CG model in the intro FMV.

Brought up some great points too. It completely passed me by that VII was the first FF released here - I never even thought about that before. But it explains a hell of a lot. So technically, I really did start playing FF from the very beginning according to UK releases.

( Edited 04.02.2012 22:15 by Azuardo )

Eesh Martin when in the last decade did you pull that post from? I can't even remember and honestly I disagree with a lot of the things I said there- so I'm not sure how I would really respond in a way that you'd be satisfied with.

That and I'm not sure the nostalgia thing really appeals to me? I played every mainseries FF since 2004, bloody ages after most of their original releases and contexts.

FFV and VI are great but.. perhaps because of their own gameplay gimmicks and such, and yeap they have loveable characters and storylines but nothing particularly breathtaking. I'm not sure I'd call FFVII's breathtaking either but eh.

And the hair thing is weird and is something I have a problem with too.
In FFV Lenna has pink hair and Faris has purple hair yet in the PS1 CGs they're both blonde.
And in FFVI Terra has green hair and is blonde is PS1 CGs.

Their original character designs by Amano are blonde yet something to do with the SNES colour palettes gave them different hair? Or to tell the sprites apart or something. Either way in fandom and a lot of promotional art they're drawn with the colourful hair you see in their sprites and personally I prefer it that way..

EDIT: Ah you noticed

( Edited 04.02.2012 22:20 by SuperLink )

Either way in fandom and a lot of promotional art they're drawn with the colourful hair you see in their sprites and personally I prefer it that way..

Considering Tidus (pronounced Tide-Us) is an American way of saying it it's not Square of America's fault since the retarded "Teed-Us" & "Zidaan" is Square's Japanese branch way of saying things.

It's like the dumb way people pronounced Ryu's nae in Street Fighter as "Rie-Oo" instead of the correct way of saying it as "Ree-You" & to further support my knowledge of how you say Tidus' name there was a sitcom in America in the 90's called Tidus (pronounced Tide-Us) WAAAY before FF10 came out.

Also Martin you only prove my reason for n voice acting " That's just bad voice acting coupled with half-assed voice direction." which means it NEVER should've been attempted in the first place...as I just said.

Or at the least have an "Old School Option" to turn it off like Baten Keitos had to help with ITS horrendous voice acting problem.

Vorash Kadan said:
Also Martin you only prove my reason for n voice acting " That's just bad voice acting coupled with half-assed voice direction." which means it NEVER should've been attempted in the first place...as I just said.

Or at the least have an "Old School Option" to turn it off like Baten Keitos had to help with ITS horrendous voice acting problem.

I don't get this. Square Japan created the character. They named him Tee-dus. That's his name for all regions.

Then you bring Ryu in to it. Capcom Japan named him Ree-u. The rest of the world calls him Ree-u. If anything, the people calling him Rie-u are the dumb ones, just like the selfish dumb ones insisting on calling Tidus Tide-us, even after we know his real name.

You bring up a sitcom with someone named Tidus and pronounced Tide-us. That's all very well, but certain people have their names pronounced in different ways. Example, my name Aaron is pronounced A-run, but another Aaron might prefer it pronounced Air-un. In FFX's Tidus' case, he is pronounced Tee-dus, because that's HIS name.

I get why people think differently if they've never heard the proper pronunciation before, but to refuse the correct way and being ignorant about it after learning of it is just stupid. Fair enough, you're free to call him what you want, but to be calling the guys that named him retarded is pretty lame.

( Edited 04.02.2012 23:39 by Azuardo )

Right....sooo again like I SAID don't do it. If you can't get it right before release do NOT do it at all.

I agree devs are responsable for a game's over all quality, but if they half ass the work then the devs shouldn't attempt it at all & with Final Fantasy VI being so well respected & being the best in the series thus far the 3D remake will be under HEAVY scrutiny...

Billy Zane IS the best Ansem in KH, why Square stopped using him I don't know but it was a bad decision replacing him with the VA who does Bato in Ghost in the Shell.

Vorash Kadan said:
Right....sooo again like I SAID don't do it. If you can't get it right before release do NOT do it at all.

I agree devs are responsable for a game's over all quality, but if they half ass the work then the devs shouldn't attempt it at all & with Final Fantasy VI being so well respected & being the best in the series thus far the 3D remake will be under HEAVY scrutiny...

You know for decades the games industry has run almost on a trial and error basis, if it doesn't work try it again and do it right. Devs are responsible for a game's overall quality, and if they screw up in one title they'll do it again in the next.

Graphics, gameplay, audio, they all fall under this rule.
Voice acting is arguably just as integral as music- if the game industry wants to be respected as a media platform it needs emotive talent.

I think the crux of his point is basically; if you're Square Enix then you can afford to give your stupidly-popular series a proper English voice track for the millions of English-speaking who will inevitably buy it. Final Fantasy is a pretty story-driven game. Other story-driven games have probably been beating the crap out of it for years in terms of quality of voice acting.