ID Cards in Britain

What does everyone say to these (if you live in the UK?)

Take a look at the link in my sig image for more info....

I think it's a bit naive of the public to think that they don't have information held about them already.

Ever posted your views ona website, signed a petition, bought a book with a credit card? They'll have that info, this is just making it public that they have the info.

And why not let them have it? What have we got to hide?

Im not in favour of it,but at least with an ID we'll KNOW what they know.

I'm in favour of it. Don't have anything to hide.

As am I, why are people against it?

Sounds like a good idea to me..

The government has failed to successfully implement almost every large IT system it has ever undertaken, resulting in the loss to the public of more than a billion pounds between 1997 and 2000. David Blunkett told Parliament:

From that quote spy gave, just because something failed before it instantly becomes pointless to try and advance society?

No, but thats a pretty big list of failures, and I can't really see any real benefits of taking the risk again.

Perhaps you could enlighten me?

Btw I'm not takin either side here, I just honestly don't know any solid reasons for it. Especially after reading some of the stuff on that site...

< Edited by spydarlee on 2004/12/27 18:51 >

Pubs, clubs etc have a solid form of ID, so the people who are 18 (ie me) don't have to rely on looking my age, or risk taking my passport along.

Less waiting at doctors, hospitals. All the info they need is on a card.

I can't see how it would be a bad thing, I'm all for it.

Good points, funny how sites like to ignore certain points when trying to back up their own isn't it?

Seriously though check out - this page for a hell of a lot of reasons against it.

I'm still undecided myself...

Also from a security point of view apparently these things will be impossible to fake as all the info is linked to a government database. So anyone leaving the country will have to hand all their info over to the passport control so to speak.

It could also help find wanted criminals... if one is loose you could say, all shops within a 4 mile radius ask for id cards on every transaction.

id cards?

and hey, how much html can we use?
do html hyper links work?

< Edited by MasterStyl on 2004/12/27 9:33 >

^ I don't really agree with many of the points raised against it.

Who can gain access to the information on the national register?

Clause 19 of the Bill allows the disclosure of information from the register without the individual's consent to (among other agencies) police organisations, the security services, Inland Revenue, the Department for Work & Pensions, the Serious Organised Crime Agency and Customs & Excise.

What use can the police make of the card and the register?

Under clause 19 (3) of the Bill information from the register can be handed to or accessed by police for purposes of prevention or detection of crime. This provides substantial scope to use the information. Police may, for example, apply to link fingerprint information on the register to

Yeah, people saying "you're taking away our identitiy's and our freedoms" not realising that both of those are actually so personal that it'd be like saying that your emotions were taken from you.

For almost people these cards will be a good thing, the only people it won't help are criminals and 15 year olds in brighton trying to pay a childs fair on a bus!

15 year olds in brighton trying to pay a childs fair on a bus!

Add Glasgow to that list.

Anything that stops 15 year olds getting into pubs is good. Means their not there for me to hit on.

First off I would like to point out that the ID Card scheme will be run through the DVLA, the guys that know how to run an extensive database sytem and have done for decades.

And the information on these cards the government has already through its various organisations, the ID card pools them together.

Most of the reasons given against the ID are pure paranoia. Honestly do you think anyone in government cares about more for anything more than a statistic? The government probably could abuse this system IF they had the time and patience to do so.

msenyszak wrote:
Anything that stops 15 year olds getting into pubs is good. Means their not there for me to hit on.

Previous mistake huh msenyszak?

I hope they don't put this in AUS.

It'll make it a heallova lot harder to do most of the things I like to ...

< Edited by blizzard224 on 2004/12/28 19:54 >

Well, it can be incredibly hard to tell sometimes...

Under clause 19 (3) of the Bill information from the register can be handed to or accessed by police for purposes of prevention or detection of crime. This provides substantial scope to use the information. Police may, for example, apply to link fingerprint information on the register to

I've got nothing to hide, and I don't think its a real invasion of privacy. On the other hand, it'll be helpful in preventing crime, so I'm all for it

If all goes to plan and the scheme doesn't fail, then I can think of NO down points to it.