Final Fantasy

Comment by JRRD, on 14.03.2013 at 22:04

New to the thread so I'll start with my top FF games.

1. Final Fantasy Tactics
2. Final Fantasy VI
3. Final Fantasy VII
4. Final Fantasy IX
5. Final Fantasy IV

And with that said, I am not too happy with how the FF series is going as of late. Ever since X it seems things have gone down hill for me with this series. Although I did enjoy XII a bit. I like the world. And now all they do is sequels. Ugh... i am so tired of Lightning.

Comment by Azuardo, on 20.12.2012 at 03:29

( Edited 03.03.2013 19:06 by Azuardo )

Comment by Vorash Kadan, on 20.09.2012 at 04:09

Well yes to be fair you're right about me jumping the gun in regards of compairing FF13-3 to FF6. You are right it's not even out yet so I appologise for what I said.

Instead I guess I should've put it as "If you like Sudo Gothic style games taking place in a Mechanically themed world then you should play Final Fantasy VI AS WELL". Sorry fi how I put that before but defiantly play that gem if you people haven't yet.

Comment by SirLink , on 19.09.2012 at 21:35

Hm, when looking at the sales of XIII they probably thought that making a sequel would bring more potential sales than a completely new game. Of course, they'd also profit from being able to re-use certain things. It's definitely a shame that we won't get two new mainline FF's this gen, again one down from only two last gen and three for every gen before that(not counting XI and XIV obviously).

It's nothing abnormal though, particularly this gen this sort of thing is happening a lot with rising development costs and times. Wouldn't surprise me if we end up seeing only FFXV next gen and nothing beyond that.

Comment by Azuardo, on 19.09.2012 at 21:12

They're using it for Versus XIII and used it for XIV Online and Dragon Quest X, so they absolutely could have used it for another FF, say a potential XV. XIII sold well enough to warrant a sequel, but Toriyama loves his XIII so much, too, so it could be a number of factors why they made XIII-2, including trying to make profit.

Comment by SirLink , on 19.09.2012 at 21:02

@Azuardo: The part about the sequels of XIII made me wonder something. We all know that Square-Enix put a lot of time and money in the Crystal Tools engine, so obviously they wanted to make it worth the effort and release multiple games using it.

The part I'm wondering about is if it would have been feasible for them to make say FFXV using the same engine, but making it feel different enough with a different battle system etc. all without spending much more resources on it to make much of the previous work go to waste. I don't know enough about engines to make any good guesses, though it definitely felt like XIII-2 was more about making up for the insane development costs of the engine and XIII than expanding on the universe of Lightning and co. I still loved it anyway but it's something that would really be interesting to know.

Comment by Azuardo, on 19.09.2012 at 19:57

I agree on much of your opinion of the XIII games, Vorash. Could have been plenty better in different areas, and I despised some of the things they did with XIII-2 -- obvious trolling Lightning as the main character, paid DLC story content, etc. I have plenty to say about why I did like them, but those that want to know already know.

The problem I had with your post was just this, that's all:

I know it's still the XIII series, but even you should know you can't judge a game that we haven't even seen footage of, let alone been released.

Ironically, you say Versus is looking good, but the last footage of that was years ago and the current format of it could be vastly different. I get that LR:FFXIII is the XIII series, so you're gonna hate it whatever the case, but to say VI is automatically gonna be better is silly. VI might not top any other game again for you, but there's no point just forcing it onto someone who is looking forward to a particular type of game. It's like me saying there's no point in looking forward to New Super Mario Bros U -- they might as well go play Super Mario World. Or what's the point of new Zeldas because Ocarina of Time is the best? It just doesn't happen.

I get the hate with Square, though. God, they are frustrating. After FFVII released, within four years we had had VIII, IX and X, plus other RPGs in between (Vagrant Story etc). In the same time frame after XIII we'll have had three XIII games and a failed and revamped online XIV. Fans have had Lightning and co shoved down their throats for a long time, and it's incredibly frustrating for them. I can't blame them. If they didn't like XIII then you would have expected them to look forward to the next one. But they haven't been able to.

I'm okay with it, but I get it. XIII could have ended at XIII-1. But I did think there was a lot that could be done in another game. It's my belief, though, that Toriyama may have been asked to force a third game (which thankfully is sounding like a potentially great game, different from XIII/-2) for two reasons: 1. Because Square now want to get into the habit of releasing new entries into FF almost every year, and 2. Because they knew Versus was not going to make 2013. I feel like a third game proves even more that these games are acting as filler for the wait to Versus. The only problem is that it's frustrating for those FF fans that aren't fans of XIII and want to experience new stories every couple of years like the old days.

Further frustrated by the fact Type-0 still hasn't been localised and FFX HD still hasn't been shown. It doesn't take this long to do an HD remaster. For the wait they're giving us, I am expecting far more than a lick of paint.

Comment by Vorash Kadan, on 19.09.2012 at 16:20

I would SirLink, but your wall of sarcastic defence is impregnable...once you learn to grow up & put bias favoritism aside (& no this doesn't apply to me in this regard) I'll gladly explain all the ways 13 could've been a master piece. And yeah I didn't mean ALL the voice acting was bad SuperLink, just some of the new characters & Lightning's usual brooding self though I did like the new blonde guy....his name escapes me at the moment but he's the more muscular of the new heroes, he was a decent character.

Comment by Mush, on 19.09.2012 at 12:11

Oh please. Everyone knows Theatrhythm is the best in the series so far.
[spoiler]Obvious trolling[/spoiler]

Comment by SuperLink, on 19.09.2012 at 11:27

Lightning Returns looks good, and the worlds look cool. I've never been a big fan of Lightning as a character, but FF has never been particularly strong with characters or plot. Many are memorable, and I'm sure Lightning is memorable to many.

I didn't think FFXIII was a good game. However I would gladly call FFXIII-2 a good game if all this content which should have been in the game to begin with wasn't paid dlc and not even at a good price.
It really turned me off the game in general, I think the only way I'd be happy to pay for all that dlc is if I had bought the game for £6.

..no I still wouldn't have been happy to pay for the dlc, I would have tolerated it more.
Now I'm just talking with my wallet and refusing to buy more of the dlc, and as a result I feel like I'm missing out on content that I shouldn't have to pay for, and thus I don't really feel like playing the game anymore.

Such a shame Square had to ruin a genuinely great game for many people by being moneygrabbing douchebags.

If they pull the same move with Lightning Returns (or heck any future Square games) I'll find it very very hard to enjoy.

EDIT: Oh and XIII-2's VA wasn't bad, but I'll admit the outfits were, I hated Serah's (and I hated having to get dlc to change it, go figure)
Also agreed on Noel, he comes across as a bit of a creep to me actually and he's definitely very generic (still at least he's not emo)

I liked the QTEs in XIII-2 though, they're some of the better QTEs I've played in recent gaming.( Edited 19.09.2012 11:41 by SuperLink )