Gears of War, Unreal Designer on Wii U

Comment by God, on 23.09.2012 at 10:58

Martin; lovely ramble, and yes it'll work out for them probably. I'd love some Nintendo projects on other consoles. The pure happy, innocent being a kid again feeling is missing on the big consoles, at least the absolutely brilliant way in which Nintendo does this.

Guest;
I don't consider playing games mature at all, so it doesn't matter which game you pick. What people mean by mature games, from what I understand from it, is based on atmosphere and storytelling. Like movies and music, some games really aren't intended for children due to scenes it depicts and uneasy/uncomfortable feelings it produces and morals you don't want to learn your child about yet(even though they are very real in our world).
Killing someone (brutally) over petty things is not maturity, but who enjoys these things in a (game) setting? Who do you want to see playing that? Taking drugs might also not be a very mature thing to do - but leave it to the adults. Childhood is over soon enough.

There is nothing offensive about saying a game is for kids or adults. I sometimes get the idea from game fans that as soon as you call games like pokemon, mario and kirby typical kid games, you have somehow belittled either the games or them(sometimes followed by a sarcastic remark on how war game is boring because it doesn't have bright colours/looks like real life and there is nothing to be happy about in it). Which is nonsense. Aaaaaand now I'm hungry haha

Comment by Guest, on 22.09.2012 at 22:22

How is shooting people more mature? If anything I'd say it's immature.

Comment by Martin_, on 22.09.2012 at 17:50

Well, look at it from Nintendo's point-of-view. Durango is rumoured to have a monumental 16-core CPU paired with one of the latest ATi/whatever they're called now GPUs. The PS4 (less specific) is rumoured to have even more under the hood than this.

Microsoft and Sony have this market to themselves. You already know that, at launch, you'll probably be paying £400 or something for either of the new consoles from these two. Maybe £300 if you're lucky. Even then, MS and Sony will be making losses. However, they know they have the market and audience for that kind of thing.

Nintendo, on the other hand, do not. They started really losing this crowd all the way back with the GameCube. Nothing wrong with the machine itself, and power-wise it sat right between the Xbox and PS2, leaning more towards the Xbox side.

The GC, while profitable, lacked a lot of the kind of games that the then-maturing gaming crowd wanted, in addition to their Nintendo classics. I will always love a good Mario game, but I love a good GTA as well. I'm 26. At the time of the GC launch, I would have been 16. I think I was nearer 18 when I actually bought one.

Anyway, Nintendo let this 'problem' grow and grow. They kept pumping out solid Nintendo games, but that wasn't enough. The third party presence wasn't what the ageing gamer craved, especially when he saw what the other consoles were getting.

All of a sudden, the GC became this weird market where certain types of games did very well, whilst more mature games on GC were totally-outsold by those on competing platforms. The GC then stopped getting these kind of games.

Then comes the Wii, which to this day I think is just a repackaged, overclocked GameCube with new controls. I saw literally almost no difference in graphics. OK, so Twilight Princess has a couple spots on GC where it would drop a few frames, and didn't run in widescreen. Big whoop. Even then, how much is thjat down to Nintendo trying to play up the Wii hardware? I'm sure the GC version could have had widescreen.

But the real issue with Wii is that, aside from certain JRPGs, you really only have Nintendo to look towards for proper games. Even then, we're talking your classic Nintendo wholesomness. Nothing wrong with them, solid Nintendo gameplay, but it isn't enough for a serious gamer in his/her 20s.

Mature games were thin on the ground, and when they did appear they were usually tat like Conduit, which while seen as a godsend on Wii I'm sure, would've been seen as a pile of wank on 360 or PS3, even if the graphics were on par with the best.

Ultimately, Nintendo are in a place where they have secured a whole new market for themselves, but lost a great deal of the old market. They have said that they know this, and that's good.

But really, can they actually dig themselves out of that place and win back the rest of us that they lost? I look at Wii U, and again, I'm seeing nothing to suggest that this isn't basically just current-gen hardware with a new controller.

I could buy a Wii U and get a slightly smoother Batman: Arkham City or whatever, or I could hold out for PS4/Durango which by all accounts are going to be much larger leaps from the current crop than the 'U.

So it's all about waiting and seeing, and obviously the games. ZombiU looks cool, but it's obviously a project resulting from a Nintendo coming to their senses and going "We need a mature game for Wii U! We will pay you this amount, and you will make it!".

One game is not enough, nor is the addition of slightly smoother games I can already get for my PS3/360.

[/rambling]

Comment by God, on 22.09.2012 at 13:22

So less options in terms of power and you have to get all 'creative' with a different controller. If I were Cliff Bleszinski, I'd wait till Nintendo offered me a big bag of money before planning anything.
Well different strategies can work obviously. Seems like another 5 years of 'different' third party support for Nintendo then; which they don't really care that much about.

Comment by Martin_, on 22.09.2012 at 11:06

There'll be UE3 games from Epic licensees, but the question is will there be any UE4 games? Depends on how much more powerful the PS4/Durango are compared to the 'U. If, again, there's a significant gulf in power, then you probably won't be seeing UE4 games.

The Wii U seems like a slightly improved version of PS3/360, much in the same way that the Wii was a slightly improved version of the PS2.

Comment by Mr James2t3, on 22.09.2012 at 04:39

No Epic games on WiiU then. ( Edited 22.09.2012 04:40 by Mr James2t3 )

Comment by Guest, on 21.09.2012 at 17:29

The problem with the Nintendo/Epic relationship is that Nintendo is all about using Older hardware to create new innovative experiences, on the flip-side, Epic is always on the brink of cutting edge hardware and technology. They are pushing graphics because that is the business they are in with their unreal engine. they want to show off what they can do with it---and it's hard to do that with old hardware. As much as Cliffy loves Nintendo--his business is obviously more important.

Comment by Martin_, on 21.09.2012 at 03:31

Also, it was four years ago. In 2008, I can imagine lots of 'core games' developers thought that the Wii was a heap of shit. I know I did.

Comment by God, on 20.09.2012 at 17:50

Actually it was, according to this:

http://www.gamefocus.ca/news/631.html

Not sure how you think it's important - people in companies make statements all the time then change it to something different when more dollars can be obtained. Who cares.

Comment by Guest, on 20.09.2012 at 17:42

Wasnt Epic that said Wii was a virus and they will never make a game for it.... :sarcy: