Cubed3's Smash 4 Online Tournament

Azuardo 28.02.2015#301

When is that update out and how does it work? Do we all have to be in the same lobby in real time to complete it? That would probably limit who can take part.

We can consider all sorts of options, but people don't have to take part in another one if they don't want to. If they would rather wait for the game's update tourney thing, they can do, and others can still do this style until then, if there's enough people that want to. I'm happy to do this again, it's been fun, even though it's taken longer than I expected, and I didn't win a single match loool.

I would still obviously try the game's tourney mode, but if we can squeeze another of our own style in before then, I would be good with that.

There are plenty of tourney types to try using Challonge, too. Like, you can have groups of certain numbers of people, like a football World Cup style tourney, with the top two of each group progressing to a knockout stage. Or you can have a league format, with everyone playing each other twice/once, with points added to determine your position. In fact, that could be like an on-going season thing, like a real football season. Could be something to do on the side, whilst we have other tourneys happening at the same time...like real football haha. Then there are the usual single/double elimination tourneys, where we could indeed split them up into US/EU, or just do as we have done here.

Plenty of time to think what people want to do. The league idea interests me because it can be an on-going thing that lasts months, whilst we do other tourneys at the same time.

( Edited 28.02.2015 22:48 by Azuardo )

SirLink 28.02.2015#302

I love the idea of an on-going Cubed3 Smash league. Would definitely be up for that, though it would be nice to have replay-sharing first because I have no way to record mine.

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Azuardo 28.02.2015#303

Yeah, I think the league thing sounds great and doesn't put pressure on people to get matches done and such.

If I were to think how to do it, I think playing each other twice in one big league would be best. But you should first make sure you cycle through all other opponents before you do your second match against people, if that makes sense. Like the home/away fixtures in football (it's much easier for me to explain and think how they work using football lol) - every team plays each team once, then they go again. Only thing that concerns me personally is if Shanker takes part and we can't play each other...

I'll have to mess around in Challonge, but should be really simple. 3 points for a win and such. Don't think you can get ties in Smash Bros stock matches? So probably just end up being 3 pts for a win. Could do 1 pt for a loss if people want, or just leave as zero.

Korone 28.02.2015#304

Soooo....has the tournament come to a halt now? Bc i know someone left, how is that gonna get fixed?

Azuardo 28.02.2015#305

Insanoflex hasn't played any matches so it doesn't affect anything. Whoever wins between Sandy and Sue will jump straight to playing Andre.

I believe Shanker's messaged you, so your match is on track.

Just gotta wait for Sandy and Sue to play too.

Korone 28.02.2015#306

Oh nice, but im playing sdragon64 next. I pm him already so our match should happen sometime tonight

Azuardo 28.02.2015#307

Yeah, that's Shanker Smilie

Sorry, I use people's real names sometimes, which probably confuses people lol.

Korone 28.02.2015#308

Actually, our match is gonna happen right now as we speak!

Korone 28.02.2015#309

I won against sdragon64, 2-0. Fun matches i must say Smilie

L 28.02.2015#310

Azuardo said:
When is that update out and how does it work? Do we all have to be in the same lobby in real time to complete it? That would probably limit who can take part.

Tbh I don't know how it works or when it actually releases. XD If everyone does have to be online at the same time then I don't see that mode having much of a future here. Your league idea sounds decent though.

Korone 28.02.2015#311

Oh no, it's gonna be a while before i get to face anyone else Smilie

Azuardo 01.03.2015#312

I've been messing around in Challonge, and managed to come up with a mock league that looks like it would work well.

http://challonge.com/c3leaguee/standings

Bear in mind it's about halfway through, with completely randomised results, so pay no mind to the positions of people. I've just entered the names I've used in the previous tourney, just to fill it up and test it out.

Edit: Randomised all matches in there now, to see how it looked in the end.

How it works:

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We could start this whenever, but could wait till this current tourney is over first. We can indeed run other tourneys like this double elimination one in conjunction, since it could take a while. I imagine we'll have less than 20 people, but if there was 20, that's 19 matches for everyone to organise and play at some point. Could certainly take some time, but would be quite cool to have running through the year.

We'd have to make sure that the people that sign up give serious thought into whether they can take part, and that it won't be hard to contact them and organise matches. I think if you don't come onto Cubed3 often then there's no point in you taking part. We can give a lot of warning for sign-ups and I can PM people well in advance, but since it would be a long-running thing, don't want people that have no time or major interest to just sign up for the heck of it. It's supposed to be for fun, but don't sign up if you don't plan to take part and do all your matches. That sounds fair to me.

Any other ideas for this are welcome. But I think the example league above at the link should show it should work well enough, and you can complete your matches with any opponent in any order in your own time.

( Edited 01.03.2015 18:03 by Azuardo )

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I've been messing around in Challonge, and managed to come up with a mock league that looks like it would work well.

http://challonge.com/c3leaguee/standings

Bear in mind it's about halfway through, with completely randomised results, so pay no mind to the positions of people. I've just entered the names I've used in the previous tourney, just to fill it up and test it out.

Edit: Randomised all matches in there now, to see how it looked in the end.

[b]How it works:[/b]
[spoiler]It's essentially a Round Robin format, but I cannot seem to make it so that each person plays everyone twice - it looks like you can only make everyone play each other once. To be honest, just once should work out fine anyway.

You can have a points system, like 3 pts for a win, but I actually don't see the point in it because you cannot come out with ties, since we have to find a winner in every match. You may as well just count the matches you've won, rather than awarding points, because they function the same way with no tie results possible in a match here. So I chose not to use a points system.

You can have tiebreakers, which determine the position you fall into if you are tied on same number of wins as others. I picked for the system to look for points difference (this would be the number of games you have won, minus games against), followed by points (total number of games you have won), followed by 'tiebreaker' (your personal result against your tied opponent).

'Points' in this case is basically a single game. e.g. if you win your match 2-1, you get 2 points (games) for that. The points difference would be 1, because 2 minus 1 = 1.

That's the more technical side of it when it comes to tied scores in the league, but it's really simple in the end. It's basically the more wins you have, the higher up the table you will be.[/spoiler]

We could start this whenever, but could wait till this current tourney is over first. We can indeed run other tourneys like this double elimination one in conjunction, since it could take a while. I imagine we'll have less than 20 people, but if there was 20, that's 19 matches for everyone to organise and play at some point. Could certainly take some time, but would be quite cool to have running through the year.

We'd have to make sure that the people that sign up give serious thought into whether they can take part, and that it won't be hard to contact them and organise matches. I think if you don't come onto Cubed3 often then there's no point in you taking part. We can give a lot of warning for sign-ups and I can PM people well in advance, but since it would be a long-running thing, don't want people that have no time or major interest to just sign up for the heck of it. It's supposed to be for fun, but don't sign up if you don't plan to take part and do all your matches. That sounds fair to me.

Any other ideas for this are welcome. But I think the example league above at the link should show it should work well enough, and you can complete your matches with any opponent in any order in your own time.

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Sandy Wilson 01.03.2015#313

That is me and Sue done. She beat me 2:1 It was so close. Smilie

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Pikasue 01.03.2015#314

Yeah, definitely! Great matches - really enjoyed it Sandy Smilie

Guys, I'm heading off to the states on Tuesday, so I do have to withdraw. I was thinking if I have enough time to fight the next competitor tomorrow I would, but not sure I can in the time (to do list is getting rather long!). Will let you know Smilie

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Azuardo 01.03.2015#315

Which game did you win yours, Sandy? First, or second? Just so the results are accurate.

Luna Eriksson 01.03.2015#316

I do gladly take you on at any time tomorrow Pikasue. Smilie Just give me a messenge with the time you want to play so do I play with you.

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Sandy Wilson 01.03.2015#317

Um... The first I think. I'll check the replays tomorrow.

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Pikasue 02.03.2015#318

Hey guys,

Sorry, but I'm going to have to bow out. I'm off to the states tomorrow morning for 10 days and I couldn't really find a window for the match today! Sorry Andre!

I'll definitely take part in the next one, I really enjoyed my matches Smilie I'll be interested to know who wins!

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Luna Eriksson 02.03.2015#319

Do not worry! I hope you have a nice trip and see you later! Smilie

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