Nintendo News | Reggie: Third Parties Strong on Wii, Overtaking Xbox 360 in 2007 & More [news]

3rd parties are doing well on DS...just 79% of all DS games sold are made by Nintendo. (and that figure is around 60% for the Wii)(edit: figures for april sales)

I think 3rd party support still sucks for the Wii...he's promoting EA!!!

( Edited on 29.05.2007 12:34 by ZeroSimon )

But, all the games are just party nonsense. There's no real games on Wii. Well, hardly any.

Shiteness always wins in the end.

Q: Sony has said that the PS3 is a technology that's future-proof because of its powerful microprocessor and high-definition disc format. In a couple years, is there a possibility the Wii will start looking a little creaky in comparison to the PS3, and Nintendo will be left in the dust?

Reggie Fils-Aime: I guess when you're not doing well you have to grasp at something. From our perspective, this industry is about entertainment and it's about driving a consumer interface and engagement with content. That's why people want to play games. From that standpoint, our strategy is certainly working and we believe it's going to work into the future. What that future is going to look like and what's the content - stay tuned.

Doesn't it already look a bit 'creaky'?

Well yeah that's what I thought. Give it a couple years, when practically everyone's got a HD set and stuff...

Little boys and little thoughts

The DS is 64bit technology, whilst the PSP is 128bit technology - what are the sales figures on both hardware and software again

Just for the record, and again, commonsense prevails, let me run you through the released games again.

This is a comparison of all released and reviewed games (from America). It is an average score across the industry and is from gamezone. It is the best comparison you are likely to get, due to average scores from several sources. If you don't like a game on the list, then remember, it is only personal opinion, not fact.

I will show just the games that score above 70, as they represent games that are at least worth considering. For the record, there are 56 Wii games available and 39 PS3. Keep in mind, that developers are putting the kids games on the Wii most, because it is more successful and has broader demographics (both younger, older, hardcore, casual, girls and families). The 360 is left out because of the 1 year headstart.

NINTENDO WII - end May 07
90 - 100
Mario Party 8 Action 9.0 Wii
The Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess Adventure 9.0 Wii
80 -89
Madden NFL 07 Sports 8.2 Wii
Rayman Raving Rabbids Action 8.0 Wii
Super Paper Mario Adventure 8.5 Wii
Trauma Centre - Second Opinion Simulation 8.3 Wii
WarioWare: Smooth Moves Classics/Puzzles 8.3 Wii
70 - 79
Disney's Chicken Little: Ace in Action Action 7.3 Wii
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2 Action 7.2 Wii
Elebits Action 7.7 Wii
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance Role-Playing 7.3 Wii
METAL SLUG ANTHOLOGY Action 7.1 Wii
Mortal Kombat: Armageddon Action 7.8 Wii
Need for Speed Carbon Sports 7.0 Wii
SSX Blur Sports 7.3 Wii
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz Action 7.4 Wii
Super Swing Golf Sports 7.1 Wii
The Godfather Blackhand Edition Action 7.5 Wii
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07 Sports 7.5 Wii
Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam Action 7.1 Wii
Wii Sports Sports 7.1 Wii

PS3 - end May 2007
90-99
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Role-Playing 9.2 ps3
80-89
College Hoops 2K7 Sports 8.1 ps3
MotorStorm Action 8.3 ps3
NBA 2K7 Sports 8.1 ps3
NBA Street: Homecourt Sports 8.2 ps3
NHL 2K7 Sports 8.3 ps3
Resistance: Fall of Man Action 8.8 ps3
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Double Agent Action 8.2 ps3
Virtua Fighter 5 Action 8.6 ps3
Virtua Tennis 3 Sports 8.0 ps3
70-79
Call of Duty 3 Action 7.9 ps3
Calling All Cars Action 7.9 ps3
Fight Night Round 3 Sports 7.9 ps3
Formula One Championship Edition Sports 7.8 ps3
Madden NFL 07 Sports 7.9 ps3
Major League Baseball 2K7 Sports 7.2 ps3
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance Role-Playing 7.9 ps3
MLB 07: The Show Sports 7.9 ps3
Need for Speed Carbon Sports 7.8 ps3
Ridge Racer 7 Sports 7.8 ps3
Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection Action 7.9 ps3
The Godfather: The Don's Edition Action 7.7 ps3
TIGER WOODS PGA TOUR

For those with short memories, once upon a time there was a games console that had graphics far in advance of anything any other console could do. It also had games that all the cool (read, not cool) gamers wanted to play. In short, it made all other consoles look creaky and old. There was just a couple of problems, it cost loads to buy and its games were more expensive than its rivals.

That console was the NeoGeo.

It sold like shit and everyone bought a SNES or a Megadrive instead.

Obsolete is only obsolete if loads of people buy something more advanced instead. Obsolescence is dictated by the majority, not by the mere existence of superior tech.

Dr_R said:
For those with short memories, once upon a time there was a games console that had graphics far in advance of anything any other console could do. It also had games that all the cool (read, not cool) gamers wanted to play. In short, it made all other consoles look creaky and old. There was just a couple of problems, it cost loads to buy and its games were more expensive than its rivals. That console was the NeoGeo.It sold like shit and everyone bought a SNES or a Megadrive instead.Obsolete is only obsolete if loads of people buy something more advanced instead. Obsolescence is dictated by the majority, not by the mere existence of superior tech.

Anyone remeber the PSX?

Anyone remember the Atari Lynx?

Anyone checked the sales of the PS3 lately?
Anyone checked the sales of the PSP lately?

We all know that only retards compare handhelds to full consoles. And we all know that graphics arent too important on handhelds as they use low res screens...

Raab said:
We all know that only retards compare handhelds to full consoles. And we all know that graphics arent too important on handhelds as they use low res screens...

Didn't I compare consoles to consoles?

Oldschool's making a very valid point about the difference between the perceived and actual drought and how much of that is down to the taste of a vocal internet minority (yes you are the minority).

I'm saying that the availability of superior technology doesn't make something obsolete, rather obsolescence is judged after the fact, and is determined by success.

You're calling people retards.

Raab, try reading the thread again and then read your post. You may be able to see that no such thing occurred.

For the record - no-one ever compares handheld systems to home consoles. They compare sales and they compare worth of games - both legitimate. This argument is normally put forward by those without a sound base from which to argue. Is your comment is a reflection of you?

Joe, no need to imply people are retarded. By the same token, Oldschool, no need for "Little boys and little thoughts " etc.

Thanks,
GR

Here's an interesting post from Infendo. So Harrison thinks this gen will last longer than 5-6 years?

I've said in the past that the best thing Sony could've done, in a business sense, is to build PS2 chips into DVD players made by other companies and make it an absolute standard. From a tech point of view the PS2 is obsolete, yet people still want it because it's cheap, has loads of games, and does just about everything they require from a console.

The PS2 is still the biggest competition to the Wii on the home console front. Perhaps Sony will be forced to realise that soon.

You tell them old school these guys don't know there stuff.

Dr_R said:
For those with short memories, once upon a time there was a games console that had graphics far in advance of anything any other console could do. It also had games that all the cool (read, not cool) gamers wanted to play. In short, it made all other consoles look creaky and old. There was just a couple of problems, it cost loads to buy and its games were more expensive than its rivals. That console was the NeoGeo.It sold like shit and everyone bought a SNES or a Megadrive instead.

Not to be a cunt, but the Neo Geo is the second longest-lived hardware platform ever. That extra-power it had made it last from 1990 until 2004, long after the Megadrive and SNES had gone to their graves. So while it didn't sell at a great frequency, it did solid business for fourteen years, which is a very different, but equal kind of financial success.

Dr_R said:
Obsolete is only obsolete if loads of people buy something more advanced instead. Obsolescence is dictated by the majority, not by the mere existence of superior tech.

Really? I disagree, I think obsoletion is when superior tech is commercially available, and successful. The 360 is a success, which as the years go by, means that the Wii if not now, will become 'obsolete' rather quickly. Also, your example of the Megadrive/SNES is bad because, they were both a huge graphical and sonic step-up from their predecessors. Those machines were a success, and replaced their forebears pretty-much solely because of the vast hardware improvement they offered. The Wii on the other hand, seems to be pretty much the same console in a different box. So yeah, your point is kind of negated.

Oldschool, no-one cares about sales figures.

( Edited on 29.05.2007 15:46 by Oni )

Loving the comedy comparisons being made in this thread.

Oni, the NeoGeo as a home console was not a success anywhere outside Japan. It survived by virtue of its versatility in the arcades. Its longevity also proves my point: it wasn't right for its time, it was too advanced to be a mainstream commercial success. By the time the tech was cheap enough to compete with other platforms, things had moved on and it still wasn't viable (it had become obsolete).

As for the definition of obsolescence, the existence of superior technology only makes something obsolete if it renders its existence pointless. Good examples are Harddrive DVD players mean video players are pointless. Similarly Digital music players rendered MiniDisc players obsolete. Once the GPUs and CPUs in the 360 and PS3 can be put into a package as small and cheap as the Wii, then the tech is obsolete. Until that point, it's just not cutting edge. There's a huge difference between "not cutting edge" and "obsolete".

oldschool said:
The DS is 64bit technology, whilst the PSP is 128bit technology

To be a tiny bit more of a cunt, I would like to point out, at this juncture, that the DS' CPU is actually only a 32bit RISC processor, and is not 64-bit technology. The PSP's CPU on the other hand, is based very closely on the PS2's, and is indeed 128bit.

What's the matter with you? WHY DO YOU NOT KNOW THESE SIMPLE TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS? It is because you own Wii. It has robbed your mind of it's technical specifications, and data.

Dr_R said:
Oni, the NeoGeo as a home console was not a success anywhere outside Japan. It survived by virtue of its versatility in the arcades. Its longevity also proves my point: it wasnt right for its time, it was too advanced to be a mainstream commercial success. By the time the tech was cheap enough to compete with other platforms, things had moved on and it still wasnt viable (it had become obsolete).

I disagree. Games continued to be released for the home version of the console right up until the end. Plus, your comparison of the Megadrive and SNES to the Wii are still awful.

( Edited on 29.05.2007 16:04 by Oni )

Oni, I wasn't comparing the SNES and Megadrive to the Wii, other than to point out that those massively successful consoles were as comparatively underpowered and affordable, in relation to the NeoGeo, as the Wii is to 360 and PS3. Whether the SNES or Megadrive were graphical upgrades over the NES era is irrelevant (other than allowing me to point out that they again support my idea as they rendered the NES obsolete by offering more powerful consoles at a mass market price).

Everyone's busy talking about how the Wii is under-powered and will be rendered obsolete because superior tech exists, but things just don't work like that. Like the NeoGeo, the PS3 struggles because, rather than the Wii being under-powered, the PS3 is over-powered and overpriced relative to consumer demands. It's not mass market. Processor obsessed gamers just don't understand that.

Dr_R said:
Oni, I wasnt comparing the SNES and Megadrive to the Wii, other than to point out that those massively successful consoles were as comparatively underpowered and affordable, in relation to the NeoGeo, as the Wii is to 360 and PS3.

Well you're ocntradicting yourself then, because that is a direct comparison.

Dr_R said:Whether the SNES or Megadrive were graphical upgrades over the NES era is irrelevant (other than allowing me to point out that they again support my idea as they rendered the NES obsolete by offering more powerful consoles at a mass market price).Everyones busy talking about how the Wii is under-powered and will be rendered obsolete because superior tech exists, but things just dont work like that. Like the NeoGeo, the PS3 struggles because, rather than the Wii being under-powered, the PS3 is over-powered and overpriced relative to consumer demands. Its not mass market. Processor obsessed gamers just dont understand that.

What about the 360, then? That's not over-priced at all, and is far more powerful than the Wii. You can't act asif you're not comparing the Wii to the MD/SNES, and you can't say it isn't a bad comparison, either. Both of those consoles were huge steps up from what was previously available. The Wii is the first console in history which has remained pretty much static on the hardware front.

It'll matter as the years wear on. You can count on that.

The neogeo was an extremely niche machine for ultra hardcore people, that was never originally even meant to be a home console, it was for luxury hotels and stuff. The games cost hundreds of pounds for god sake.

Consumers are more interested in price, not power. The PS2 still outselling the 360 and PS3 put together per month is proof of that.

But, all the games are just party nonsense. There's no real games on Wii. Well, hardly any.

My eyes! My eyes!

I am getting so tired of people spouting this crap over and over and over and over and over and over.

First of all, the comment itself is ridiculous. No need to go further. There are plenty of games on the system that aren't "party" games. Second of all, what console hasn't had a rough first year for top releases? I guarantee you there are not too many that had great first years. You guys seem to forget that the 360 had few games that made the system worth buying for most people for some time. I mean, most of you bought it, picked up a few of the worthwhile ones, and then spent most of the time playing Halo 2 until Gears.

Give the Wii some time to get a library before you start attacking it with comments that even now have no basis. So some of the best games are meant to be enjoyed with friends? Big deal? I really could care less what genre the game is in if it is fun. That's why you are supposed to play video games, fun!

Besides, if you aren't satisfied now, then wait. More great games are coming, regardless of how much bias and ridiculous hatred you bear for the console.

EDIT: Okay, less bleeding now. I feel better.

( Edited on 29.05.2007 17:05 by Jacob4000 )

Oni, sometimes it's pointless arguing with you as you just end up being pedantic in order to wilfully miss the point.

I wasn't comparing Wii to SNES/MD, I was comparing 360/PS3 to NeoGeo, in terms of them being over-powered compared to the competition. Any similarity or dissimilarity between the Wii and SNES/MD is irrelevant to that point.

As to the second point, yes the 360 is more affordable than the PS3, and only slightly more than the Wii (although really the Core doesn't count). However, the point still stands that both the 360 and PS3 are giving the consumer more power than they appear to care about (given sales figures). The mass market consumer is happy with the Wii's graphics. In fact, on that basis, they're apparently still happy with the PS2's graphics (in the US at least).

Yes, consumers' value-judgement on this wil change as the years wear on, but the battle for this gen will have been fought by then. You're also forgetting that that value judgement is affected by other factors - how successful exploitation of the Wiimote becomes and how many great games appear on Wii. The thing is, when the Wii starts to look creaky, people won't be looking to 360 and PS3 to replace it, they'll be expecting something new.

EDIT: Grumbler, whilst the games were more expensive than today, and more expensive than the competition, cartridge games were more expensive in general (I remember paying

cartridge games were more expensive in general (I remember paying

Grumbler, weren't NeoGeo games just arcade boards plugged into the console?

And you can't compare the NeoGeo to any other console purely on the basis in that it wasn't for the home market. It wasn't marketed or designed for that purpose, it was a system for playing arcade games and in that sense it was a success as more people owned a NeoGeo than any one arcade game.

Oldschool your examples are off as well. For a start the Lynx was not fit for purpose, its small battery life hampered the console considerably, the PS3 and Xbox360 are both fit for purpose and do the job they are meant to.

The PSX if anything is more closely related to the Wii than it is to the PS3 or 360. The PSX is merely a Playstation 2 with some multimedia functions added on, it had DVR and a DVD-Recorder which pushed the price up and its understandable that it flopped because four years on DVRs and DVD-Recorders still aren't a big thing.